What The Funk?

0:01 And we're back, tripping over the barrel, this time with the bearded beast, just in gothier. Man, that's almost as bad as when JP tries to say it. I'm just kidding. That was good. No, I

0:15 appreciate the intro. That was pretty solid. I got to say that. Let's go. So let's get the exact pronunciation. Okay. So Justin's pretty standard, like whether you're in Canada or you US, but

0:26 then so the way my grandmother would pronounce it is goatee. But then if you're in South Louisiana, it's goatee. So one of the two or a combination of somehow is pretty solid. But if I introduce

0:39 myself, I just say Justin goatee. So yeah, that's pretty much it, but I've heard everything from Gunther to Gothier, some other weird stuff. And I mean, that's for me too, like when I when I'm

0:50 podcasting, I always try and ask people's names, even if it looks like Paul Smith, I'm like, can you please pronounce your name because I will somehow mess it up. Uh, yeah, so the name thing,

1:02 especially growing up and always hearing people's like mispronounced it, uh, I try and respect other people's names. So yeah, you're, you're speaking to the choir here, buddy. Right. So I'm

1:11 going to ask you, is it, is it looser, looser, what, how do you pronounce your name? Loser. Loser. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So it's, it, it's some sort of German derivation of, uh, loza. And

1:24 when it got over here, it was looser And some poor unfortunate farmer couldn't spell it, told the census guy, Hey, it's pronounced looser and the guy writes it down. And that's where my wing of

1:34 the family is stuck with, right? I hear you. And then there's funk, which is like the coolest last name ever. Oh, thank you. Yeah.

1:42 You should see their Facebook post that keepers of defunct and all of that. And yeah, it's awesome It's, it's, you can't like really put a, like an accent spin on it, but I mean, just the fact

1:54 that it's, it's fun. It's awesome. So I like it. I got a spin on. whole conversation. So a friend of mine, good friend of mine from Canada came down to work in Houston for, I don't know,

2:05 three or four years. Yeah. And he was getting fed up with words that were clearly French words. Oh, yeah. Like four year and just getting really worked up over how we pronounce them, you know,

2:19 yeah, four year or whatever. So anyway, he's working for this company, well, Penn's oil at the time. And he stumbled across this guy's name, Claude Picard. And he goes, Oh, finally, another

2:31 canuck I can talk to. So he picks up the phone and calls this guy and the guy answers the phone. Claude Pickard just killed him. He's like, finally, I'm gonna speak to someone who knows how to

2:45 pronounce something and it Claude Pickard. Yeah, it's funny. So like talking about that it's uh so my wife's from and again it's they pronounce it Lafayette, right Like? but when I met her and

2:57 she and her family is like oh you know from me. Louisiana Lafayette, but I was like, you mean Lafayette because you're like a Lafayette, but right now It's like so it's weird even people within

3:07 Louisiana who should know how to pronounce French words They still somehow don't pronounce them correctly Which is really funny to me and actually speaking of Lafayette You're in Lafayette, but

3:16 you're in the Colorado Lafayette, right? That's right. Yeah, it's so random. Why are you up there? What are you doing up there? You live here? I live here. Yeah, really? Okay. Yes. I love

3:25 it. I love it. I was Colorado Lafayette Awesome. Awesome. Really, really nice town. I mean, it's like on the eastern part of Boulder County Not too far from Denver. So there's like oil wells

3:37 just over here and then people who strongly oppose any Sort of oil drilling over here. So do you have to get kind of like close proximity? Yeah, I am very much so very much. Yeah, yeah depends on

3:48 what side of the tracks you're on You have to like really be careful what you say and how you speak and what kind of shirt you're wearing and stuff. Yeah, everybody has an opinion to Yeah, right?

3:57 One person ever. That's good, that's what makes things exciting. Yeah, I, you know, as long as research is done. So where, you're Canadian, where are you from? Where'd you grow up? Yeah,

4:07 so I was born in Calgary, Alberta, and lived downtown Calgary with my mom until I was five, and then she moved us out to BC. So I grew up in Vernon, British Columbia, which if you're not

4:19 familiar, if you were to look at Vancouver and you're to look at Calgary on a map, it's dead smack in the middle. So it's in the Rocky Mountains, they call it, it's the valley, but grew up in

4:29 Vernon there. And then when I was 18, I bounced back to Alberta to start working drilling rigs. So, but yeah, Calgary is definitely home. I actually had to say probably more BC, is more home

4:42 for me. I mean, that's growing up, going to high school. And that's where all the memories were made and a lot of the foggy memories were also made. So it's BC, right? So I'm going through your

4:55 profile and it strikes me, you said you're going to work on the rigs, but man. So you were actually were on the rig floor, hands dirty the way a bit, right? Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind

5:06 of a funny story actually. So I was in high school and like the only thing, and I'll be totally transparent, the only thing I cared about in high school was partying sports and girls. So like, I

5:18 didn't really know what I wanted to do after high school. I just figured like being a socialite would like somehow carry me through life, which obviously, I mean, now might, but I say that to say

5:31 this, my cousin who worked for FMC in Calgary came to visit one Christmas night. I was like, great. I was in, yeah, I was in grade 12 high school. So ready to graduate, didn't know what I

5:41 wanted to do, but knew I could go play for the Okanagan Sun, which is a, which is like a junior football team. And so I was like, oh, if anything, I'll, you know, just continue to play

5:51 football. And so, but I wanted to make money because I was like, well, it's nice to live here. ski resorts, you got the freshwater lakes. So, I mean, all winter long, I was in the mountains,

6:01 doing all the fun stuff. And then, you know, summertime, doing, you know, water sports, wakeboarding and partying on the beach with the boys and girls and everything else. But I was like,

6:10 well, shit, I mean, I can't make that much money playing junior football. I'll probably get heard. And then my aspirations to get to the CFL are gonna be shot. So I might told my cousin, who

6:21 was selling a wellheads for

6:24 FMC. I was like, man, you got to get me a job because all you do is talk about going fishing, golfing, going to sporting events, and drinking like a lot during the day with clients. And I'm

6:36 just like, I can do that. I want to fish and play golf and drink with people all day. Yeah. And make like stupid amounts of money and build fancy houses. And I'm like, you're living the dream,

6:46 Uncle John. Or I call him Uncle John, but he was my cousin, which is totally random. But anyway, so like Uncle John, you got to get me a job doing what you're doing. He's like yeah I'll get you

6:55 a job doing it. you know, it will get you in the whole field. And I was like, Sweet, sign me up. So he proceeded to basically push me to go to Pitt, which is petroleum, petroleum industry

7:06 training center in Niski, Alberta. And so instead of me going downtown Calgary, partying with all the salesmen, I ended up getting stuck on a drilling rig when I was 18. And I was like, this

7:20 doesn't seem similar to what you do. And then I quickly realized - Where's the drinking cup coming? Yeah, which we did drink back then. I mean, granted, I mean, I'm not that old, 35. And in

7:31 2004, it wasn't that long ago, but we still drank on location back then. And so it was, you know, you're moving the rig and everyone's drinking, you know, after you, you know, sun goes down,

7:45 whatever. But I was like, yeah, I'm drinking, but it's with a bunch of rig hands. This is definitely not what I was expecting. And so anyway, I realized, yeah, you gotta work in the field

7:54 where someone's just gonna throw you in an office and start selling stuff. But anyway, that's, I don't even know if that was a question, but that's how I got into, oh, yeah, Tim, you asked.

8:03 Yeah, that's how I started working rigs was trying to get a sales gig downtown Calgary and I ended up on a rig and I think like. So you actually roughneck it and roused about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

8:14 yeah. I started off as a lease hand scrubbing toilets, getting newspapers from town for the tool pusher, scrubbing the rig, hating my life for freezing Freezing. Yeah, in freezing, yeah. I

8:25 remember the coldest it was. We were, I remember a strapping casing. And if anyone on the front of the ridge, you know what it is. You're measuring the casing before it goes down holes. So you

8:35 meet as a roughneck. You don't know what the heck you're doing. All you're doing is staying there. You got this long ass tape measure. And you're like basically glancing at numbers and you don't

8:43 even really care. So you just throw out some random numbers most of the time you round up, round down, which now I'm like, wow, that was a really bad mistake.

8:52 because they would take their word for it, I think. And so it's like, oh yeah, these rough necks that are in there, you know, 18, 20 years old or telling us our casing tile, like that just

9:01 seems to me kind of backwards. But it was minus 40 with a minus 60 wind chill. And yeah, it was really cool. You know, so

9:13 you know, you're all bundled up, you can barely move and then you sweat, so you take layers off, but then you stand around for too long and then you freeze and then you get frostbite And it's just

9:22 just like this terrible psyche. Sounds awesome. And you really drunk that night and then you go to work and you don't really remember much and then it's noon and you're like, Wow, I forget how I

9:29 got here this morning. And it's just, it's a great time. You know, it's almost a great time. Yeah, it was like, looking back, it was a good experience. It was almost like, it's funny 'cause

9:42 I feel like, you know, men, we don't always get a rite of passage. Like women go through that with just naturally. They get a rite of passage, they grow, as men, we really don't have like a

9:53 true rite of passage. And for me, doing that, in my opinion, was kind of a rite of passage because I was just, I had never really had my, I'd never really been in that position where like I had

10:04 to work and prove myself. And, you know, you're in the middle of nowhere freezing, life sucks kind of depressed 'cause all your buddies back home. And so, yeah, it was a good time though. I

10:14 don't know if I would have done anything else. I don't know if I was capable of doing anything else, to be honest. So you're out there and you're like, man, I'm scrubbing this toilet out here on

10:23 the rig. Yeah. One day I'm gonna have a podcast about this. Yeah, I'm gonna talk about this and people are gonna be like, wow, that's not cool. People are gonna actually listen to it. Yeah,

10:31 yeah, yeah. It's not cool. Yeah, no, it's like silly, right? It's like, why didn't you go to school? Like, isn't that what you're supposed to do? But in hindsight, I didn't know what I

10:39 wanted to do. So it would have been stupid for me to go to school and sit there and, I mean, I didn't listen in high school. I sure as heck wasn't gonna start listening in college. So, it's like

10:47 Colin right here. And seriously But only masking, so.

10:53 We had Colin on, uh, I guess it was our second or third podcast and one of the things we got into were kind of those, uh, pranks, they play on the new guys that come out to the rig. Yeah. Yeah.

11:03 What's your, uh, what's your best prank you got pulled on you or one you pulled on the new guy? Um, I mean, we, we, we got the unlock the V door thing and all that. Yeah. It's, I'm a one, I

11:14 remember quite vividly is, is we were logging and they told me, uh, to, cause you know, it's like, oh, we're going to start logging. And I was like, okay, like, you know, of course right

11:23 away, I think in trees and logs and I, again, when you're on a rig, it was a rough neck, you don't have no understanding of what is actually going on. Like you're just in this big iron jungle

11:34 and there's tools and ship flying around and you, you don't know, like, you're drilling a hole and you're producing oil. Like once you kind of start asking questions, but I was like, logging,

11:42 okay, whatever, I'm sure there's something to do with trees around here because we're in the the forest in Canada. And so there's lots of trees to go vlogging. So like, yeah, here's a axle. We

11:51 need that tree over there. That tree in this tree. So. Oh, yes. So I'm out there just hacking away, cutting down logs and trying to find the straight because of course, like, hey, they need

12:02 to be straight. They need to be this diameter. They need to be this length. And so, and then they're all just, yeah. And so I'm doing this and I'm looking back up at the rig because, you know,

12:12 they can see me because you can't really get too far off into the booties or something will happen But like, why are they all looking at me in just the body language? I could tell they were like

12:21 kind of laughing, like one guy's got his hand on his knees. I'm like,

12:26 he's my fuckers, man. So I like start stomping back. And so anyway, that, that one for me, I remember there was tons. I mean, that's awesome. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah, because I don't

12:37 know if like in West Texas and even a lot of the rigs that I've been on down here because I was a mud engineer for a while down in the States, a lot of times you're in like, you know, farmland or

12:46 the desert and stuff. But in Canada. if you're, unless you're drilling like bokeh and stuff, if you're anywhere as Northwest or Northwest of Calgary, you're typically in the bush, we call it.

12:57 And it's, you're surrounded by forest. And so like you're basically in this like little pad and then all around you's forest for bringing hours on in. So it's easy to go logging when you're in the

13:08 middle of forest.

13:10 And you probably know a bunch of loggers. Yeah, growing up in BCL, growing up in BCL is like, well, of course, I can cut logs on from fricking British Columbia. I'm like, that's mostly what we

13:22 do. It's about time you put something in my wheelhouse. Yeah, I was like, I can do this. I can identify different types of branches and stuff. Yeah, not arborist, but I'm close. Yeah,

13:34 so it was good. So then take me through, so you're doing this in Canada, right, you learn on the job and talk to us about how you ended up in the States. You're in Katie, right? Yeah, I mean,

13:45 Katie, Texas right now. So I mean, I could easily give you like the long of it, but really what happened, you know, on the rigs, I realized it was a means to now, I'm like, I'm not gonna do

13:54 this forever. You're surrounded by a bunch of negative influences and no disrespect to people on the rigs. I have nothing but the utmost respect. But the folks that I worked with were, they were

14:02 miserable, they were divorced, they didn't have any money. And it was just, you know, they weren't influential people to be around. I was like, I need to get the hell out of here. Like this is

14:11 not who I am. And I'm a city boy. Like a lot of those guys were like farmers, they grew up in the country. They liked being kind of out in the boonies. I don't like that. Like I like being in

14:20 the city where there's energy people. Like that's just my style. So I was like, you know, and isolated with a bunch of dudes. I'm like, you know, clearly as an 18 year old, the last thing I

14:29 want to do is be isolated with guys. Because like, I need to get out of here. So I actually, so we were drilling some wells for Petro Canada. And I kind of, you know, I realized I'm like, I

14:38 need to talk to someone who's above this and really just start understanding like what this industry is about and like where the wherever the most money is at, is that I want to go there. And so,

14:50 the company man for Petro Canada told me, he's like, I tell him, like, how can I get in your position? Like, all you do is sit in your trailer house and you just like swear and scream at people

14:57 all day long. Tell people what to do. Yeah, I'm like, I want that job, right, of course. And so he's like, well, then you get better get the hell out of here. He's like, you're better off

15:05 going back to school. And I was like, oh God, like the word school frightened the hell out of me. 'Cause, you know, again, like, like in high school, I was like, I was a good student because

15:16 I was, I could somehow talk to my teachers into giving me decent grades, but I didn't do any work. So, again, just not, school is not designed for everybody. I'm in school now doing well, but

15:27 my whole, my mindset is totally different. But anyway, back then I didn't care about school. I just did whatever I had to do to get by. And I was, I was a personable person, so teachers somehow

15:36 liked me and they knew my parents 'cause small town, blah, blah. Anyway, I was like, School, are you serious? I was like, Well, what should I do? He was like, You should do petroleum

15:43 engineering. If you want to make the big bucks in this industry, go do petroleum engineering, I was like, oh shit, here we go. So anyway, I applied at SAIT, did the petroleum engineering

15:53 technology degree and up there, I don't know, it's not a four year degree, but it's like a, and it's not an associate's, I don't even know they would consider it down here. But anyway, I did

16:03 that, got that, and then got hired on with Canadian Energy Services, which is a drilling fluids provider up in Canada. They hired me on after I graduated in '09, but things were pretty shitty

16:16 back then. And it was just, I'm just slowly starting to get back. And then I don't know exactly what it was like down here, but up there, it was pretty crappy at the time. So there was - We'd

16:25 just come off of what, 140 per barrel. Yeah, it was just this, like we were on the back side of that 140. Yeah, 'cause I remember when I was on the rigs, we were hiring dudes like from Walmart,

16:35 and I was like, these guys don't even know how to swing a hammer. And I didn't really know much about hammers either, but once I figured it out and saw these guys come on real, I'm like, why are

16:44 we hiring all these like - everyone was like, oh, we're so busy. And like, people were coming and going from different rigs. And I was like, man, this is a strange thing. And they told, they

16:51 got the time. They're like, yeah, it's so busy, we can't keep up. But I didn't know again, just for everybody coming out. Well, they had Uncle John's too. Uncle, yeah, yeah, exactly. No,

17:01 probably so. But anyway, so yeah, do the school thing. Had a hard time getting a job. My buddy Chad Hayden, I will forever, I mean, do anything I can for him. He's up in Canada still crushing

17:14 it But his uncle was the CEO

17:19 of CES. They were looking for a guy. Chad put my name in the hat. I went and interviewed, got hired. Was there for a year? Bounced to the States. 'Cause I told him when I got hired, like,

17:28 what do you want to do with your life? And I was like, I want to go overseas. I want to go to the States. I don't want to stay in Canada. There's so much out there. And it sounds like oil and

17:36 gas can get me wherever the hell I want to go. And he was like, they're like, okay. And so we had in 2010, we had bought a company all the fluids management out of Houston. And they were a

17:46 drilling fluids company that was primarily focused down here in the Gulf Coast. And one of their biggest customers was heading up to the Marcellus when the show revolution began in 2010. So I was

17:57 able to get transferred from Calgary down to Pittsburgh. So then I, that was my first stop in the States was in Pittsburgh. And word of advice for any young eager about to maybe get married kids or

18:11 young gentlemen out there Talk to your fiance before accepting a job in another country. It's a lot easier conversation. Sage advice. Yeah, but you know, of course I know it's crazy 'cause we

18:23 were building a house at the time. And I had actually, I had bought a condo when I was 19 in Calgary and sold it and

18:33 just started to build a house with my fiance at the time.

18:38 And anyway, yeah, so again, it's just funny 'cause she always bugged me and said, yeah, we were building a home my parents house because that's where we were living at the time. We're like,

18:47 yeah, I'm moving to Pennsylvania and she was like, wait, you're what? Like where house is halfway built? What are you talking about moving to Pennsylvania? I was like, yeah, no, it's a great

18:56 opportunity. Like, we'll figure it out. No brainer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's pretty, you know, kind of funny. But anyway, that's a long story to a short answer or a short question. But

19:06 that's how I ended up in the States. So Pittsburgh first and then eventually to Houston since it's sort of just the capital of all of it, right? Yeah, I was there. I wasn't really feeling

19:16 Pennsylvania. I was, I was used to Calgary, so I was used to just kind of a different lifestyle. And Pittsburgh was nice. Don't get me wrong. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But with the East Coast. Yeah.

19:25 I mean, the East Coast is pretty cool, but it just wasn't for me. My wife didn't quite like it. And I already pissed her off enough. I was like, well, where do you think we could go? It made

19:33 sense because her family was from Lafayette. Our corporate office was here. I was like, I need to figure out how to get to the to Houston and anyway I was I went from there to Houston and then

19:43 using the Denver for about a year and a half and then ended up back in Houston. Yeah, so Denver's got a pretty big spot in my heart. I, that's where I started my sales career and I've got a lot of

19:54 friends and then close people up there and my wife does as well. And so I'm a huge fan of Colorado, a big fan of Denver. It's very similar to Calgary. I mean, anyone that I've talked to that's

20:04 been to Bo with they're like, yeah, I know it's, it's very similar so. Strikingly similar. Yeah, they're really, yeah, sister cities really Yeah, we definitely, I mean, culturally too, has

20:18 a similar feel to it. Just a little bit colder up in Calgary. Where did you live when you were down here in Denver? What were you doing? Was that one of the gas related as well? Yep, yep, I was

20:27 in the field for a bit. I had went back to the field just to gain a little more experience on the drilling fluid side of things, not from just rough neck perspective. So anyway, yeah, I got,

20:40 I was at a competitor got hired back on they moved me up there gave me an opportunity to start in sales And so I was living downtown right by Coors Field called I don't know if anyone's from a view

20:50 house, but it's like I have a right there. Yeah, so I lived Yeah, the house is awesome all the bars down around that area. You're great Obviously Coors Field was right there. So if you're a

21:01 salesman in Denver being downtown is where you want to be So yeah, I was it was a good time and I lived downtown and spent most of my time You know entertaining and trying to drum up work and get my

21:13 name out there So it was my liver didn't like it. I sure did And from the looks of you, I'm guessing you you sampled much of the craft beer scene You know, it's funny. I don't like beer at all Oh,

21:27 no, yeah, I look like such a guy. You'd see it a brewery. I know right. It's so weird like I like that's the thing I I'm I when people zig I zag so You know, it's but it's weird, like I've

21:39 never been a big fan of beer. I grew up drinking like hard alcohol. I say, Grew up drinking. But when I actually started drinking, it was always hard alcohol. I didn't like beer. I don't mind,

21:48 like if I'm golfing a cold beer, but of course now I'm like, you know, watching my calories. So it's white claws and all that, you know, funny stuff. But I can't like a, like the dark, the

21:60 IPA stuff. Oh man, I can't do it. That's where Jeremy lives right there, the IPA And I wish I did 'cause it's like a, to me, it's all, it's like a cultural thing, right? It's like, it's like

22:11 a, it's a community of like these IPA beer drinkers and they all get together and they like sample this cool beer and I'll take it. And I taste it all. And to me, it just tastes like burnt coffee

22:19 or something. I'm like, ugh, what is this? But no, I don't know. Interesting. I mean, well, you must do CrossFit then, if it's not, right? I mean, do you even CrossFit bro? It's gotta be

22:31 CrossFit. I don't know. CrossFit is drink beer too. I don't know True, it's the same people that you see at the brewery. weird cults, right? I know. I guess. Yeah.

22:42 So now you're in one to the podcaster cult. Yeah, right. It's you have to belong to you have to belong to something right or else you're you just feel lonely. But I don't mind being alone.

22:53 Actually, I quite enjoy it. I'm one of those like weird extrovert introvert people. Yeah, but I do not like I would easily travel the world by myself and have no problem doing it. I would think

23:04 it'd be a blast I'm guessing in your sales career, you've had to do that. Yeah, a little bit. In a sense. And honestly, I grew up an only child, so I was forced to be okay being by myself most

23:15 of the time. Unless I was playing sports and, you know, big shout out to my parents, they put me in like every sport possible, including figure skating. So I was never shy of doing things with

23:26 other people. Like figure skating? Yeah, which is odd because I didn't even play hockey growing up. I only figure skated. This is really weird, but another story There. Um

23:37 Yeah, and I didn't so I guess I'll tell it so of course like I played a bunch of sports I you know and in the winter it was you know football kind of led into basketball I was like fall going into

23:49 winter so I played basketball and then I snowboarded on the weekends and hockey Basically was right in the middle of all that and so I yeah my parents I'm like oh I want to play hockey. It looks

23:60 awesome I loved football and you know action and hitting people so I want to do that and My mom was like well, you know, it's it's gonna interfere with all the other stuff You're doing she's like,

24:10 but why don't you take power skating to see like if you can become a good skater? I was like, okay, I'll do power skating is what you called it, but it was freaking figure skating Power skating

24:27 Yeah, this is like you're skating. This is this looks more like figure skating mom Like but thanks and so is like me like one other guy and like bunch of you know girl which I was the only one

24:38 wearing hockey skates and everyone else had these little white booty skate things. You showed up to power skate, man. I did. I showed up to figure skates. Exactly. But it's come to find out. So

24:50 I always bug my mom about this. I'm like, Mom, why did you do that to me growing up? I have such a complex trauma, which I don't, but it's really just funny. But one of my customers who also

24:60 grew up in Canada, who was from Drayton Valley, I was telling him this story when I was in Midland like a week ago, and I was like, Man, my mom did this to me, this and that. And he was like,

25:10 No. He was like, We all did the same thing. Most of the hockey players where I'm from, we all did figure skating and skating less and type stuff to get really good at skating. And I was like,

25:22 Damn, my mom was onto something. But I didn't like it, so of course, I quit and just stuck with basketball and snowboarding. But yes, I don't drink beer and I never played hockey crying out.

25:32 The truly zigging and zagging from all Canadian. Yeah. I know it's Canadian culture. I know. I know. I make my own culture. I guess. That's not good. So Tim, go ahead. I got a little. I

25:44 want to pivot to. I've got two ways. I want to take this to the to the podcast thing. So, yeah, I mean, I get well, this is kind of weird because you're with OG and we're digital wildcatters.

25:55 I guess they're rival. No, no, Tim. I can't believe we had him on from the competition. You know what I think it is, right? It's you guys are spying, or maybe I'm spying. Yeah, what the hell,

26:07 man? Why is it us? Well, you know, the last podcast hoster, the last podcast host we had on joined digital wildcatters.

26:16 So, yeah. And we kicked off. We kicked off Chuck Yates career. He came on our show and then instantly started his own podcast. So, right? Well, obviously it hasn't helped him because he still

26:26 doesn't have a job, right? So,

26:30 somebody was talking to me yesterday about him. They go, so Chuck Yates doesn't actually need a job. You're like, No, I think Chuck's okay for the moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's like

26:39 - He's taking a break. That's like David. Everyone knows him as DRW, but - DRUBS. Yeah, so I met him a long time ago, and yeah, I wouldn't consider him a friend. Like, I don't talk to him

26:50 like on a regular basis, but if I text him, he says, Hey, and you know, every once in a while, and if I'm in Denver, I'll typically go have coffee with him. But I love that when, you know,

26:58 he obviously has done well in his career, I mean, he's done like Uber driving, right? And then now he's working for Hitachi, which I haven't talked to him since he got on. I know, I wanted to

27:07 talk to him about that. Yeah, I'm curious how things are going. And I doubt he listens to many podcasts, especially if it's people he talks to already. So he's probably not listening to this,

27:14 but I owe him at least a call or a text to see how he's doing. But yeah, so we're rivals. This is pretty intense. I know. We might not errand because - I don't like your reasons. I also - I like

27:25 Mark LeCory. I'm like you, the whole crew, you guys are just - Thank you. I like that though. At least your thinking about - I mean one of our bits that we do all the time is failed sales

27:37 presentations which I think you can also participate is you've you've done enough of these things it also strikes me because it's happened to jeremy and I have failed podcast where crazy things have

27:48 happened to you during the middle of a podcast to kind of wreck a podcast you know

27:55 it's I can't so I've I've done some one like one hundred and thirty episodes now with Oji Jeanne and I'm about grizzlies Yeah I appreciate it and in one twenty or so for my internal podcast that I

28:09 myself and matt often blogger serve as strong fluids and I can't say other than just a typical like OH I forgot to press record or you know I've I had a room booked at the canon and all of a sudden I

28:22 went over time and people are like knocking frankly like this is our time and so then like having a threat like stop it and then like start recording in Nothing's really been like Crazy Crazy like

28:32 Like, I wish I had a better story. And unfortunately, I don't. Well, let's, I'll give you one from, from Jeremy and I that you can just adopt. I was gonna ask you, what did you know? Yeah,

28:42 yeah, yeah. So, so the, the technology we use then, Caster, you have to be on a laptop with Chrome or Edge. You can't use Safari. That's one thing. Yeah, yeah. But we had a guy who was, I

28:53 guess didn't have wifi connection to his house. So he was using his phone as a hotspot. And I think, and I think he was doing it from his kitchen And his wife was cleaning the kitchen while he's

29:05 talking to us. So

29:08 you hear pots and pans going to the backgrounds. And then he gets a phone call. We're like, I think he's not there, but - So his hotspot just disappears for a second. We lose it. What? Yeah.

29:21 And we're just like, it was really, it was one of those scary moments because he was kind of mid-story too. It was one of the better parts of the story. And he's like, what just happened?

29:31 what's going on, and eventually comes back, like, and he's, he comes back mid sentence, like he never stopped talking the whole time. Right? That's what we have, right? So anyway, we

29:42 probably edited four of our podcasts, and that was one of them, where we actually had to cut out a segment. So did he have, like, so he basically took the call and didn't skip a beat, and then

29:53 like proceeded to continue his conversation? Is that - I think it was just the phone, I don't think he answered the phone. The call just knocked out the hotspot So we lost him on the computer. Oh,

30:04 I thought he took the call and they didn't say anything, and then all of a sudden like jump back into the conversation. Hang on guys, I gotta take this call real quick. Yeah, yeah. Which I guess

30:13 - We prefer if you didn't. Yeah, I've had to do that too. Like, you know, again, my career is in sales, and so like if a customer calls me and there's certain ones, like I know I need, like

30:23 it doesn't matter what I'm doing, I better answer the damn phone. I was in the middle of a podcast and I never met the lady and I was like, Look, like. This is a side hustle for me. And so like

30:33 the priority is like my career and I need to take this. Like please excuse me. She was like, okay. And so like, and of course it was like not a just a, oh hey, yeah, okay, cool. Call you

30:44 later. It was like 20 minutes and I was just like, she's probably losing her mind right now, but yeah. So that was kind of frustrating. But yeah, no like, but one thing too that, and I've only

30:54 had it a couple of times. And maybe have you guys ever had where someone will record with you and then they'll email you and be like, I didn't like how I said this. Can you cut that? Can you not

31:04 include this question? And then before you know what it's like, I'm like, what? Like, I mean, we should just probably rerecord not me trying to sit there for hours. And it's not me doing it,

31:15 but like I also have respect for the editor. Like I don't want him to have like 30 different edits. And then yeah, he like sent me a script that he was asking if he could record over a question

31:30 and I was just like, dude, like, no, I'm sorry, like, this is not happening. I don't even think we actually included it in the episodes, but in a, in, in Go figure, he was an engineer. So.

31:43 You got the, you stepped on it once, right?

31:47 I've done a lot of stupid things. No, with four. Oh, with fours. Yeah. What happened? Well, he had, he wanted us to cut it at the end because I said something like, Hey, you know, and if

31:57 you're looking to invest, you, you really need to invest You, you really need to talk. He's like, Hey, so everything was great, except for that last bit. I can get in serious trouble from the

32:04 SEC. So just cut that last part at the end. I'm like, got it, right? I'm not going to try to raise any money for your company on my podcast. No, dude. If anything, thank you. We had another

32:14 podcast where one of the guys had to cut out. He had a meeting. So he was gone. We were had two guys on. He cuts out and it actually cut the whole thing off. It cut the whole thing off. So I had

32:25 to come back in the next week and record an exit where we called an outro, which is opposite of an intro, I guess. So I had to go record an outro by myself and hope that it married in nicely. I

32:35 still haven't listened to that. Did you listen to it, Jeremy? I didn't listen to the end. I listened to the first like 30 minutes or so of that one, but I haven't gotten to the end. You know, I

32:43 used to be like, listen to it, watch it, write as it came out, like critique by words, and now I'm like four behind, consistently, like I need to sit down and catch up But you know, it's one

32:55 of those things too. At first, I treated it like sports. Like, you know, back in the day you'd play a game and you'd watch film. I kind of treated it like that. And I would record and then I

33:06 would listen and like, oh, I should answer it this way, this and that. But yeah, at the end of the day, you just get, you get to, you know, things happening, busy. And the next thing you

33:14 know, it's like, oh, I've listened like 18 episodes. Now I've probably listened like five or six of my own episodes, but I just feel like the reps are really where the, yep, yeah.

33:25 Like just doing more of it it absolutely gets you better And then to it's like I am who I am. So if I listen to it, I mean Should I try yeah? I mean obviously you want to try and get better But I

33:37 just feel like it's just like exercising or doing anything the more you do it the better you're gonna get and then people Yeah, if you're open enough people will give you some constructive criticism,

33:45 which is always great Yeah, I'm not open to that. So no Really own my own me anything my wife was like, oh, so I'm really good. So I was kind of thinking I'm like, no I'm not actually

34:04 I'm not changing shit. We already mentioned mark. Good the way it is. We already mentioned mark on the show here But mark look Roy. I was talking to him and and he says man. I've been listening

34:13 to you and Jeremy's podcast and The first aid or so you really sucked, but you guys have gotten good and and uh and he said it's great because it usually takes twenty episodes before people start

34:25 getting good and I was like oh well I guess we're ahead of the curve got good on episode eight or nine nine

34:31 from that guy of course men like Yeah he's got a million downloads or whatever then I think well now it's definitely more for sure right Yeah so what is the story with your podcast what is what's the

34:42 angle just to promote it here and so is mine it's very similar to your Guys is actually is it's it's it's an interview style podcast and at first he was my intentions of doing it was I saw in oil and

34:58 gas the need for people to create awareness around certain initiatives whether his business technology storytelling because we were so far behind on like telling the A or like the the oil and gas

35:11 story Lin I just I love networking and meeting new people and I was like what would a better way to do it there podcasting and and then part of that too was I wanted to I wanted to humanize our

35:23 industry a little bit to where because obviously if you have if you're on the Internet anyone can access it but oil and gas folks are are notorious for preaching to the choir you'll go on linkedin or

35:33 like anything like Yeah it's like everyone bands together and tells each other how great oil and gases and you know square one else and whatever the case is but it's a while now like if you actually

35:42 want to make some change we need to start preaching to people who otherwise don't like oil and gas I was like Well maybe I can get some cool people on that aren't your stereotypical oil and gas people

35:55 to wear then hopefully someone at some point who's not an oil and gas have listened like and these guys are pretty cool or this lady's really cool or wow they're actually very intelligent and they've

36:04 got some great technology like Eel and hopefully change the perception to wear then like we can spread the good word and it and so that was also part of it as well and so Yeah it's it would the cool

36:16 thing in owls like now in hindsight I Wish I would Have named it oil and gas Onshore because I didn't then it kind of pigeonholes me but but it's I mean it it's good for what it is but I've had so

36:29 many people that aren't in oil and gas who have nothing to do with onshore oil and gas and I've interviewed both on the renewable side I know and AM friends with some awesome people on the renewable

36:41 side so I'm not going to bash renewables at all because I think we need all energy notch ABS Lunar the other it's a game of and not work so anyway gruden but I so Anyway I Dunno if that really answers

36:54 your question but that that's kind of the thesis behind that the podcast and and I you know go where you're going with the flow and I had like I had this guy on Yesterday's news Mike Murawski and he

37:07 like had the most phenomenal story I've ever heard in My Life and are one of 'Em it was cool because he's he's so he's from Chicago he built a site that as a real estate company he ended up having

37:19 like thirty eight companies was just crushing it. And then 2008 comes, things go sideways. And if anyone listens to it, you'll understand what happened. But he basically ended up getting in

37:30 trouble with the SEC, went to federal prison for 10 years. Just got out, he got out right when COVID hit. Holy crap. But when he was in prison, he was writing books, teaching real estate to

37:47 other prisoners, teaching like business ethics classes I saw a movie about that. Okay. It took place in Maine. Shawshank. Shawshank Redemption. Yeah, right, similar. It really is the same

38:01 kind of guts. Yeah, maybe, like this dude, he was, and he was, and he's so humble. And you would never tell, like, when I first got on with, talking with him, like, you wouldn't know.

38:14 Like, there was no signs of like any, like he just was, again, like just a normal business man had, you know, you could tell he was kind of edgy, which I totally appreciated. And then he told

38:24 me the story and I had no idea. I was like, dude, this is awesome. And so again, like he had, he's from Chicago and does real estate. That's nothing to do with oil and gas. But where I think

38:33 the interesting part is that anyone can relate to is just decision making, you know, a great determination. And if you get beat down. Risk taking? Risk taking, yeah. Which, you know, in oil

38:43 and gas, like take Enron, for example, they were extremely brilliant and they got busted for doing things they shouldn't have And that's kind of the same thing with this gentleman. But his intent

38:52 was good. It's just things happened. And the next thing you know, you commit a white crawler crime without really realizing it. But yeah, so again, if people were watching, like, well, I

39:04 guess on shore, and then all of a sudden this guy's like, well, this is not a good one, yeah, so. Oh, that's, I dig that. I'm gonna listen to that. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm actually

39:12 curious. How did you guys come up with tripping over the barrel? Oh, oh no This guy is a bad ass. No, so well, let's, it's time to tell the story. You've addressed it a few times. Yeah, but

39:25 you know, we were, we basically Jeremy calls me up and says, Hey, you know, do you want to do a podcast with me? And we say, Okay. And we meet with the digital wildcatters guys and we kind of

39:35 heard the story of the girls leaving digital wildcatters and we didn't, we didn't know anything about it, but we were sitting there and we were trying to brainstorm something. So we wanted

39:45 something that was physical, sound like physical humor. Yeah. And we, I was stuck on the word tripping because one of the stories we were gonna tell was a guy tripping over a laptop cable. Who

39:55 came in the middle of a meeting in the middle of the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we got a bunch of those. We were kind of, we were stuck on tripping and you know, and then I forget if it

40:05 was me or you or someone else, but we said, well, tripping over the barrel, and we all got a huge laugh out of it, probably because - And they're like, well, we're like, it is really close.

40:15 We're like, no, no, no, no no,, close is good, close is good.

40:19 It was so funny because it was so close and it was kind of an inside joke. And now we're in it and it's got its own name. I actually really like the name. I always like the name. No, it's

40:28 actually really creative. And I'll put it out there. I love Macy and I love Jamie. They're awesome ladies. I love both their husbands. But I mean, I can find the humor in just about anything and

40:40 it is funny. Like, you know, you just, I have to give credit where credit's due. It's funny. Thank you. You gotta understand who, especially who I am too I take myself far less seriously than

40:49 most other people do. That's great. And I've had to have those conversations with like, ooh, I guess your expectations were a little bit higher than mine of myself. So just putting that out there.

41:02 But now we - That's great, man. So it is a spoof off the name, but it was in no way intended to be, you know, some sort of a dig or something. It was just kind of, and because we all laughed so

41:13 hard when it was said the first time, we have to do it. Yeah. No, it's it, you know, I respect their hustle, man. Yeah. And I'm listening to their show a bunch. I really like what they're

41:24 doing. Yeah, no, it's so again, and it's again, yeah, it's, it's funny. It's great. I'm glad you guys stuck with it. Um, I have never talked to either one of them about the show, but I had

41:35 to ask because I didn't, I knew, I mean, just reading it and because I knew I was sort of from the outside looking in watching that whole evolution of how that all is like, I mean, I was, I got,

41:45 I met Jake and Colin when they were still with OD again. So like, I've been right at arm's length seeing all this happen. And so like when when the tripping over the barrel came up, I was like,

41:54 golly, like that just fits right into what fits their motto. Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. I mean, hey, it's all in good fun, you know, I mean, look, we're all pushing the industry

42:05 forward. I think we need more of these

42:09 and especially like, you know, why did we put this together? I think also it was. him right at the beginning of COVID, we're like, well, we're not going to be going anywhere anyway. So we

42:17 might as well just start doing this. Well, I mean, for me, I, I have collected, I'm a storyteller. I love telling little funny, anecdotes about, you know, guy throwing a credit card at me in

42:27 the middle of a, of a call, or in the middle of a meeting. And I was too dumb, I was too dumb to recognize the buying signal. Anyway, you know, so I just want, I collected all these stories

42:37 and I just told Jeremy, and I'm going to write a coffee table book of just stupid things that happened to me traveling in the oil and gas business. So what? So Tim, what is your background? And

42:48 I've looked at your profile online, but I forget now. What would you, what's your? Well, I'm a, I've always been in technology sales, but I was a, I'm a petroleum engineer. Okay. Reservoir

42:57 engineering is my background. And, you know, I went, so I did, you know, what school did you go to? Texas AM. I know I'm kidding

43:07 For those who are not watching the video. For those who are not watching the video, it's obvious. But no, I, you know, that dream show of engineering is a kind of a weird story. That's a whole

43:17 nother story, but went out and started working in a technical support for a software company and progressed and wound up being at slumber J and spot fire and energy navigator. And then now at OBS,

43:30 I'll always kind of in that same realm, engineering software sales. So awesome, very technical and what, and not, you don't have to necessarily get yourself. But wait, around when did you

43:41 graduate from AM? Because I'm the president of my company, graduated from AM. And I suspect you guys may or may not be the same age, but does Richard class of 1992? 1992?

43:50 Of 1992, right there on the ring. I don't know if you can see it. Zips 92. Oh, there it is. Yeah. Was that before, after the big bonfire event? The big bonfire collapse was 1998.

44:04 Okay, so did you get to do that? I worked on bonfire. I've got a scar on my fingers from it, but I worked on bonfire when I was there. No, my brother was one of the student leaders of mom fire.

44:14 He was a, what they call a red pot. All Aggies know what this is, but he was actually a red pot in 1997. What is that? So what he calls his grandson was actually out there when it fell. So he

44:27 was, so we're, we've got a long history being my, my brother with, with bonfire, but he was not there, but it was a emotional moment when it went down. Is there, there needs to be a bonfire

44:38 oil and gas with all the Aggies that are in the space Are you kidding me? Is there not a bonfire oil? Right? Wow. Maybe I should start that up. I need to actually, I'm gonna go get the domain

44:48 right now. Yeah. Look at that. Jeremy's starting businesses while he's podcasting. Like, that's amazing. Oh, you should see all the stuff he's got now. Yeah. Hey, you know, Justin, you

44:60 should come up with a, September, was it, ninth you're having your little thing? So actually, Tim, I'm all about - I'm all about little things. October 1st. October 1st. That's my double

45:05 first thing.

45:09 Cause I moved it I moved because we're not going to announce this until next week officially on social media and stuff I'm doing a golf scramble oH just regular gather energy tech now salespeople and

45:19 operators up in Colorado Yeah it's going to be an eerie just down the road Colorado national beautiful course locked and loaded so doing it on Friday October first and yet camped about it lots of lots

45:32 of support I think everyone's just itching to do stuff and I mean I like playing golf in Colorado October so no drizzle the original plan was to do it for the anime Colorado weekend though September

45:44 ninth or Something I Am comfortable with how soon it was that's all Yeah here but you could have launched your oil bonfire thing right there oH bonfire oil and gas or I've already entered a tournament

45:57 but what's the name going to be of a jeremy funk future scrambles golf scramble something like so I've noticed what is funk futures there it is Yeah so pitch at the at minute Forty six so you know

46:13 just My My Career Path while life I Guess grew up in New England moved to Boulder Colorado sight Unseen two thousand and three got into tech sales and moved into was recruited into oil and gas

46:26 software sales upstream like back office tech in two thousand and seven I met tim at Energy Navigator he was actually my Boss for about three years now and have you know really just touched a lot of

46:37 different applications some short stands some longer stance and recently like early this year unlike you know it doesn't make sense for me with my network and kind of general understanding of the

46:47 whole energy tech landscape to just work for one company to bread kind of put it out to the as many people as I knew in the industry said hey you know I'd be looking to do some level of fractional

46:57 sales and marketing in whatever capacity you think would work for your organization and people that I think have emerging best of breed type products Yeah and we've We've got a bunch that did some

47:06 work with Tim and OVS group, DAG,

47:11 Pandel, helping them kind of come to the States. And it's got to the point where I'm like, you know, I need somebody to do more of the kind of day-to-day grunt work stuff, right? The content

47:19 creation, the demand marketing, the cold calls, 'cause I just don't have time, right? So I've got like a real process and real team now, so we can go in and say, hey, look, maybe it hasn't

47:28 worked, hiring salespeople, maybe you feel like you're in transition or coming out of COVID, you'd rather have someone fractionally and we offer our services at kind of lower cost, less risk and

47:39 emotion on both sides. We do kind of a six month type gig, and if it's great, we keep going. If not, we go our separate ways. So just a little bit of optionality, I think, for the energy tech

47:47 company. No, that's fantastic, man. Good for you. Was it hard making the transition? Or was it like, was it just blaringly obvious? You knew the demand was there and you could just, as long

47:56 as you built it,

47:58 I mean My My Mentor and friend a B joshua has been doing this for about fifteen years and he planted the seed for me about four years ago he's like I'm good at this but like you're built for this like

48:10 you you can switch products and companies and pitches to a CFR production some super confidence that I'm sure but it still took me like four or five years to actually like have the garnish don't have

48:23 to trigger

48:25 it most people say no you know what I mean like I pitch this and they're like well no I want full -time grid of course like totally understand this could be it like you said it's not and and it could

48:34 be at or radio or in and I think that it it provides something that a lot of these companies can benefit from it and you'd be amazed straight some of these companies brilliant dudes come up with an

48:46 idea have a product get money and have literally no idea how to run a technology company or do sales marketing and that's not no fault of their own it's just that situation happens and then They need

48:58 help, but do you want help with rolling through different chief revenue officers that may not ever pick up the phone and make a cold call? Right? So I mean, I think there's a balance. No kidding.

49:08 So what's your biggest limitation from growing even more right now, you think? People. Yeah. Like because people are hard to find. I mean, they're there, but it's like the people who wanna

49:17 actually put in the work instead of collect Biden bugs is tough. Yeah, I mean, you know, and the ability for somebody like Geno, who's my, he's actually here right now, but he's like my head

49:27 like lead Gen, you know, What's up, Geno? How about sales guy? What up, G? He's a, he's, he's good, man. I mean, to be able to switch from like, oh, I was just talking about this, now I

49:38 got an inbound call from this company is a unique skill set, right? And to be able to develop that and home that takes a certain type of person, a lot of people are like, you know, I like this

49:47 one thing, I know it perfectly, I'm gonna go and sell that, great. So it's people that need, you know, that kind of enjoy the, versatility and different conversations, different roles, right,

49:58 different, different had every day almost. No doubt. No, that's good for you, man. I certainly want to return the favor to you guys and have each of you individually come on the show because I

50:07 think a lot of good conversation to be had on multiple friends. I have to ask. So how was it like working for Tim, like, was it terrible or what? We, Tim and I have agreed to not talk about that

50:20 I

50:23 actually left and went to a competitor and we'd still go head to head sometime and drink beers after. Now I love working for Tim. Tim was a big part of the reason why I think Energy Navigator had

50:34 such a familial culture in the US. It was fun for me because I was just starting to have kids and Tim at that point had all three, right? They were younger. All three, yeah. And yeah, I mean,

50:44 it was just, it was a really, you know, autumn who's who's with Ambient, Marsha V-hole, you know, Trevor, just a good crew. And I think that actually like plays well when you're in. sales

50:54 meetings is like everybody liked each other. So you go in, you get the ham and egg thing, but you also know your stuff. And it's like, if all things are equal, I want to do business with people

51:04 that I like. Hell yeah. No, of course. And I think we did a good job of that. So no, Tim is a really solid culture builder. He's very measured, super technical when you need to lean on him too.

51:16 I mean, yeah, I learned a lot from Tim. One of the best bosses I've ever had. That's, that's really cool to hear actually, in which I'm assuming is why there's such synergy now with you guys

51:24 doing your podcast. I would imagine having two hosts is kind of tough, but you guys are doing well. I prefer it. I prefer it. Because some days I'm off, some days Tim's distracted. I mean,

51:34 it's going to happen, right? Yeah. No, hey, I get it, man. I'm ways are focused, man. I know it's me. I'm the one with some eyes. Are you guys are you guys Bitcoiners with the red eyes too?

51:48 I do have to ask though. I'm curious because I'm my whole career has been in upstream operations, What my exposure to technology is just like the little bits that we get internally for tools and

51:59 stuff to use but to do what is the most exciting thing in the technology space right now I know that's a such a blanket statement but is there anything like within you know the near future come down

52:10 the pipeline that that is interesting to either one of you that that may be like kind of game breaking or is it all slow transition let me go first I can Yeah I think there's there's a couple of

52:23 things that are excite a lot of people but no one really knows what to do yet it's oK so AI and Machine learning there's a there's a bunch of that everybody wants it they they they know implicitly

52:34 that is going to work and do some things form Yeah but it's really is such a long project and we're in such a show me now was that it's difficult to really figure out Hey I know I want to do AI but

52:49 it's going to be six months before I can get this one little thing answered and by then We've already solved you know we've already put a hammer to whatever problem there was so that's that's what

52:58 that is kind of itching and the other part is really this idea of this digital twin being able to simulate the entire operation digitally and so that it is complex and so now I'm approaching this from

53:11 my side which is kind of the engineering world and jeremy's approach more has the more back office thing so I think I'll let him Yeah I mean you know part of what I love about what I do is I get a

53:24 really good sense of trends within the industry and what people sort of across the organization want and it's going to be different what the CEO and CFL care about is going to be different than what

53:33 the even the the VP Of OPS or ity lead cares about and trends that I've seen a lot of especially coming out of covert is is far more like outsourcing and fractional resources just the reality where

53:46 companies have to scale up now and I think there's some scar tissue from having to let people go over the last few years and that's their pain Associated with that right and so so I think you know

53:56 that that's one and then really to like two footprints one I would say is sort of the whole production optimization piece which ties into digital twin and being able to like push a button on the

54:05 computer and it's you know opens the choke more slows down the rod pump or increases it or operate by exception right like more uber rising the oil field like bert know you go here this well now Sir

54:16 Boom right that's the one in need so things like that for the field and those are Super Cool and I think those are becoming a little bit more mature but for the back off it's it's a lot of what Tim

54:28 said you could call it a I still call it OH CR rate in it reminds me a little bit of the early days of business intelligence Justin so Yummy reporting right you pull different datasets together from

54:39 different core systems your your forecasts your actual production your financials your invoices pull all this together and do analytics and tim you know very well like those deals ten years ago were

54:53 enormous right and now like why could just build that power B I by myself or spotfire conceivably rating them up right people have more knowledge and an expertise in that area it feels like now they I

55:07 write like some people are probably doing some big expensive projects they don't know necessarily what they're going to get out of it but kind of after stubbing their to a little bit it'll become

55:15 commonplace costs will be driven down and everyone will leverage more AI in the back office so I have a question did tennis element both of your angles and intimidate him able to help answer this from

55:27 your reservoir experience but it does it would it ever come to a point and I had I had this like thought and don't even know if it's an idea but I just had this a random thought that like at some

55:38 point if you could somehow I dunno leh quote unquote control the reservoir let's say you've got a field you've got one hundred and fifty wells in like jeremy you're saying controlling you know

55:50 controlling valves to say you could either like, you know, ramp up production, slow down production. Sure. But like to wear the reservoir talks to surface surface talks to, you know, some

55:59 central control hub, which is tied to commodity prices to where you can like, AI will literally control reservoir and production based off commodities. Like, could it all at one point talk to each

56:11 other to like, honestly, like its own machine? I'll tell you that once it gets once the oil natural gas and water gets inside the well bore and starts moving up, the answer is pretty close to yes.

56:26 But what's so what are the cool things about petroleum engineering and reservoir engineering in particular, is you don't know. You don't know I know what the rock looks like in this one foot by one

56:39 foot square that I'm looking at. But just one foot away, I don't know what the rock looks like. Right. So it's very difficult to actually be able to, you can. well this is what resume

56:51 engineering is just trying to figure out what's out there and how far out and what does it look like and how's it going to move and if we inject water over here sick so you you make a lot of educated

57:01 guesses a lot of swags and you get pretty good at it and light a good feel for it but it's very difficult within the reservoir to be able to really know what's happening one hundred feet away from the

57:11 well bore of hours you and we're getting better technology is getting better and better and better so I think to a point yes we could get there and it's not that far off no I think knowing if we do

57:26 this here how's the reservoir going to react we can be right within ten per cent but we're never going to know one hundred per cent of course yeah he's just one of those yeah this is what's

57:37 fascinating about petroleum engineering I tell people all the time civil engineer can take a piece of concrete and break it in a machine and measure all the forces on it and have a pretty idea what's

57:45 happening we have to make guess care and engineering guests and we know we're wrong we know when we make the estimate that we're wrong I'm going to be right it's just how wrong are you how

57:58 are better than their wrong answer risk investigations what you know it's funny I had a reservoir a professor in in back and say there and and he he it was various the similar along the lines is cause

58:09 we were all studying this stuff and making these colleges were like well how do you know the surface area of the reservoirs this is like we don't like every question we had is like I don't know or

58:18 were just guessing and he always kind of joking about it but similar to what you're saying to him as as it's a lot of educated yes and into what degree are you wrong and it's trying to like get as

58:28 accurate as the cabbage will never be right right and then it's I use Adair now one of my professors the first time our first time I heard the word Swag was from one of my professors was scientific

58:38 wild ASS Guess Yeah and get nervous sometimes inquired he would stop and say how did you come up with that I perfectly legitimate response to this professor was while really was a swag Yeah then it

58:52 was a perfectly acceptable answer Oh okay well it's a swag no okay Good you are right but I don't think you know why you are right but it was a swag so let's go with it Yeah Yeah no it's fascinating

59:03 field but anyway not to completely derail the the Congress Notice jeremy this turned into him interviewing us he's goodman naturally right I can't believe we're going to do that we're actually going

59:13 to do an Arab we ever done an hour this is the first time we cut Chuckie Ace off and forty seven minutes we didn't have a probably because he was slurring his words Yeah you know the funny thing is

59:24 I'm talking shit and I never even met him but my wife met him at the Energy TAG night So I feel like I kind of know him but from everything that has been said about him My My and I'm saying this from

59:34 My wife said she met him and talked with him she said he's awesome So I Dunno it's just one of those Guys I think he likes it I I think he's OK with he's so comfortable with who he is I think any one

59:43 could say anything about him and he's just like I don't Care Yeah I know what I Mean so I've never Met You If You're Listening but I have nothing but Respect Jesus Yeah This is Awesome I was nervous

59:54 too because I could tell he obviously a playful guy and he said something like Yeah I was talking to my Mom I was like that's Funny I was talking to your mom too and I'm like Yeah Maybe I shouldn't

1:00:02 have done that yet but that's just chalk there like I said do whatever you want with her results that's what I'm saying like I know enough people who've talked like in you know him really well and I

1:00:11 feel like I know where my boundaries are with him even though I love that Yeah I felt like I felt like that about colin before I met him too like I wanted to like to tell him to F off the first member

1:00:24 cause like when he first came on social he's like different now he he's grown up but for like right away he was at F bombs in this industry so by far behind you are going to be left for dead you

1:00:35 idiots oh Yeah he was always in Man Blazon was Watching Chuck and him go at each other is kind of fun just naturally there's certainly some singers out there who like to jab at each other but it's all

1:00:51 in Good Fun I know I Dunno if You Guys know use of chaudhry but when him when he had i forget who he got on and these were talking about Danny's Yeah I still want to know Yeah they were interviewing

1:01:02 somebody and maybe it was just empty but they were throwing shots at me so hard and I was Laughing My ASS off listening to uncle Sam one eleven there was I get good good episode and like all the love

1:01:13 that just got and I was like I better listen to this and it was not latos like he's the worst podcast here lexa

1:01:21 has yeah it was good I have don't even care it was funny so I prefer our work keep keep pushing the game forward My man will definitely want to get on your podcast Yeah it's taken us over this hour

1:01:32 Mark man I went it went they feel like it could have gone for another hour I can't believe I just said that but it's true yep Yeah no I feel like we'd like through so many angles we could have went

1:01:40 down but no I really appreciate it's fun and it's nice to to be on the other side of the table and but I definitely want to return the favor and do it individually so he can Peel back the onion with

1:01:48 each of you I think it'd be fun gaming out and take shots at each other then that'll be great it's a can you know who can out or out punch the other one on the podcast I'd be great shots friday

1:02:01 afternoon or sounds good there you go hey it's been great jazz and love having you on greater precision the guys are awesome keep it up thanks Eliza