What The Funk?

0:00 And we're back tripping over the barrel this time with one of the head honchos. Jacob Cole.

0:10 Can we

0:12 call him a boss? Is he our boss? Kind of. Yeah. I never liked that term. Never liked it. Never liked it. Yeah. I don't know. That'll work. Well, friend

0:30 First of all, I want to go back to the genesis of this whole thing. So Jake and I originally met actually as competitors. Bro, I'm going to keep talking. I'm going to look. I'm going to look up

0:39 our first conversation on LinkedIn. Oh, nice. Nice. He was with GDSware. Is that what it was called? Yep. Yeah. GDSware and pitching a pretty nice, like, you know, production field data

0:51 capture solution. You could put it on any platform, you know, windows, iPad And I was with seven lakes at the time pushing their kind of iPad based field data capture, and Jake was making some

1:03 waves, man. Like they were a newer, smaller company, but getting in the right rooms and making my life a little bit harder than it needed to be. I remember that timeframe, because Jake was

1:12 really the first person I saw really hit LinkedIn and social media really pushing it that way. And I thought, man, I'm not sure that's the way that Go promoted on LinkedIn at the time. You know,

1:23 but it was kind of interesting to watch. We got connected, Jake. I don't know if you know that in that time, you just reached out real quick and hit me and we never really talked after that. But

1:32 it was, you know, I just, I thought it was interesting. I'm going to watch how he's doing this on LinkedIn and see if it helps, so. It feels like a lifetime ago, but it also feels like

1:40 yesterday. I'm still scrolling through our messages. I'm going to find the first DM, 'cause you messaged me first. I remember that much. Oh, here it is. Here it is.

1:51 I know I messaged you first. Oh. Oh, that's true. Look at that. That's fair.

1:56 I, one of our first guys, Tim. We had to do like the market absolutely changed. We had to do layoffs. 10 minute up going, working at seven lakes. Yeah,

2:08 and then we decided to chat. I don't know, it was just like nice and cordial. Yeah, I remember the first time we met too, it was, I think it was 2017 actually in person at the Energy Tech

2:20 Showcase up here in Denver. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We were at the analytics company or something like that at that time, a different startup. But you had a lot of things going on Remember that too.

2:29 So I think that was like transition time for you. That was transition. So if it was 2017, I left GDS where in August 12th of 2016, myself, my partner had a little bit of a falling out. And I was

2:44 like, you know what? I don't deserve this shit, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it myself. We have since like made up and then things like that. And I've seen them every once in a while. But at

2:54 the time, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna go rinse and repeat. I feel like I was getting off all of our clients. I was getting all the feedback from clients on public development. I

3:04 was doing all the marketing. I was doing all the sales. I was like, I'm doing most of this myself anyways. And so I was like, okay, well, let's go and like rinse and repeat. And so, you know,

3:13 I started doing, you know, sort of podcasting also literally like a couple weeks later in 2016 and have since released at least one episode a week for however many years it's been. But 2017

3:25 was like, I mean, that was like a humbling year for me. I went from something that we had, you know, built something pretty cool over the course of a few years. You know, we were scraping by

3:35 like, I was like barely paying myself anything. We had a team at one point, you know, then we got hit with downturn. And I think we had probably close to like 15 people at one point and then we

3:45 laid almost everybody off down to a skeleton crew. Then I had the falling out, then I left, then it was like, what do I do in my life then? And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do it again.

3:57 And, but how was I gonna make money in the meantime? I had no clue. I'm starting over with, I had a thesis of with GDS where we were trying to come in and for those who don't know, it was

4:08 essentially, it was like production data management, it was hydrocarbonate accounting, it was land management. The idea was to be this all in one kind of platform, almost like a cloud-based CRM,

4:19 but instead of contacts, it's for wells, right? To be able to see the full history of a well, to be able to see real live production data, to be able to see the client curves, like everything in

4:28 one and making it super simple, as opposed to it being in a bunch of different disparate data silos. The problem with that is replacing one system is practically impossible, replacing seven, eight

4:38 systems, just never happens. Totally. And we built it in a way that it was like, like it was meant to like all work together. And so by virtue of that, it was like, I mean, we got clients who

4:49 had been around for a long time, you know, companies have been around for 30, 40 years, it was really built for those new startup EP's who had nothing, who weren't really ingrained in anything.

4:59 And so whenever I was looking to start something new, I was like, well, what's something that I can do differently? I was like, well, how about instead of trying to replace everything, how

5:06 about I try to connect everything? And so that was the idea behind the well hub. It was, you know, we were moving from, and I felt like GDS was a pretty good technology stack. It was the

5:16 Microsoft stack. It was ASPNET, MVC. We still use SQL database, which is not bad But I was like, let's move to something that's a little bit more cutting edge. And so I linked up with another

5:29 guy who was a developer that I had kind of just met as I was pitching his company, GDS, where he's like, okay, let's start something together. And we were working on building something that was

5:38 going to connect everything together in a really easy to use and simple interface using a lot of new technology. React, Nodejs, MongoDB, new

5:50 cool stuff And so but like we didn't even get any sort of funding for that until end of 2017. So like surprise for those who didn't know, like I'm on a podcast, podcasting by the oil and gas, but

6:03 like my day job is I went back to personal training because it allowed me to make a decent enough living on my own schedule with something that I was already really good at and being able to in

6:16 between clients and at night moonlight getting well hub off the ground You know, and so I went to Equinox and River Oaks. I wanted to be surrounded by, you know, people who could be potentially

6:28 investors or potentially clients eventually as opposed to kind of going to like just, you know, some regular shitty gym. And yeah, that was a grind. 2017 was rock bottom for me, the whole year.

6:40 The whole year was absolutely rock bottom and it was very hard to

6:46 like on one hand like gnome on rock bottom and then secondly turn around and be podcasting and kind of talking Thank you. Long live. It was very, and then on top of that, like we're going and

6:54 speaking at different conferences. And so that to me was like, okay, you're at rock bottom, like you can't really get much worse than this. Like what are you made of and how bad do you want this?

7:05 And so that was like my, and another thing is, and you know this, with some of the people that had offered me, or maybe didn't know this, I was offered tons of jobs whenever I left in 2016,

7:19 making more money by a factor of three or four, then I had ever made it my entire life, and my fear in that moment

7:29 was I will get complacent, and I won't pursue and do what I want to do, and it'll be very hard to leave that. And so that's why I turned it down, I continued to make shit money, but at least I

7:40 was able to scrape by, and I was able to continue to moonlight on what was, like, my priority of getting this next phase up.

7:49 You're a dreamer, you know what I mean? Like I've sort of always known that about you. I think you can, you can chameleon really well, right? You can play in different circles. We'll get to

7:57 your background, right? You know, but between personal trainer, oil and gas, wildcatters, all the podcasting. I mean, it's, you're, you're pretty well varied from a skill perspective, but I

8:09 want to go back to little Jake Corley. Where are you, where are you from? I know you're a marine, right? But give me the story up to that point, and then the Marines, and then, you know,

8:20 pushing you out into the real world. Group in College Station, Texas, home of the fighting Texas Aggies. Giggum. Never got indoctrinated into the cult. I think that just had to do with the fact

8:33 that I was never a good student, ever. I was like the guy that was in, like when I was really young, I was in like the gifted and talented classes. I was always advanced from my age, but I was

8:42 like really ADD, and also just didn't care. even through high school like I was in all a P classes and I did just enough to pass that's it you know and it was like it was one of those things that I

8:56 was also the same time I was in I was in a bunch of different punk bands who oblique wanted to use pop into the time and so looking back that was really like my first kind of indicator that I'm

9:07 probably going to be an entrepreneur because I wrote all of our music I put together the band I booked Oliver venues I ran nobody knows his back but back in the day like bands was a pure volume was

9:18 before MySpace came along that was like where you went to find new bands sprints you'd be able to go there and upload your stuff you'd upload like where you're doing the shows and things like that I

9:28 excelled at that I didn't give two shits about school you know and so it was like I either wanted to be a rock star or I wanted to do something Else I was definitely not the size that I am now I was

9:39 like literally probably your Eyes dude I was a ghost concerts I was like one hundred and forty pounds like throughout high school, big Afro, yeah,

9:50 it was shared some of those pictures. I think on Twitter, and it's just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the hilarious, dude, the globe's real, you know, it is, it really is, it is

10:00 absolutely real. So yeah, so, um, you know, gripping call station and then, um, definitely didn't have the grades to go to any good school. So I went to blend. I mean, they'll let pretty

10:10 much anybody in. And then at that point in time, I was like, I didn't know what I wanted to do in my life I knew that the standard path was not really the direction that I wanted to go, but I

10:17 didn't really know anything else. I was never exposed to one, to oil and gas growing up at all. Two, I was never exposed to entrepreneurship. I literally did not know a single person growing up

10:30 whose family ran a business. Everybody I knew that was like, they were career something. And so that was just something that I just never really knew was an option And so you never had the

10:42 mentorship at that young age, okay.

10:46 Justice like Disdain towards not wanting to be ordinary and and now wanting to follow like the the tried and true Path I guess you can say and so you know two thousand shit I dunno two thousand and

10:60 six I think and I was still in high school doesn't seven summer in there I started working at Reynolds and reynolds which used to be universal computer systems second largest employer in college

11:10 station to right next to the university whole reason I moved there was my stuff that actually worked in this company and so we moved from houston to college station so I was working there building and

11:21 building cables like Ethernet cables and a variety of other things for computer systems then I got bumped up to a robotics team building read essentially like a red box for like car dealerships for

11:31 like Ferrari keys Lamborghini keys to screen touch screen look and stuff did that and so I'm like I'm two semesters in through two three semesters in a bland and I parents had a very solid baseline of

11:44 like really low expectations as to what I had to maintain. And I didn't meet that. And so like I was too busy having, so like in college housing there, you like rent a room and it's like could be

11:57 a four bedroom, four bath or whatever. Well, I like this four bedroom, four bath apartment, but I was only paying for a room, but I got the whole thing. And so to make money, I was hosting

12:07 parties. I was like the Van Wilder of Blin. And so I would host these keggers and like girls, we get in free, guys would get to pay for a cup, don't lose your cup. And so that's how I was paying

12:17 my bills in addition to working there. So I get an ultimatum. My parents are like, my dad calls up my mom, and my parents have been separated forever. And they're like, hey, collectively,

12:28 we're dropping you. You have one month to figure out - this is like in December, right? So like this. You have like one month to figure out what you're going to do with your life. We're not

12:35 paying for your apartment anymore. So you can either go full-time at Reynolds and Reynolds, or you can do something else. I was never the kid that was like, you know, I'm going to go to the

12:46 military or I'm going to do like, okay, let's think back. 140 pounds, Afro, music playing, like not kind of, I was non-athletic by ancient to the imagination. You knew you wanted to be

12:57 extraordinary. So the irony is you go join the uniform club. So yeah, so here's the thing. It was like, well, if I'm going to do it, so I like, I brought up this idea of like, I'm thinking

13:08 about like, I'm shit, like I don't know what to do I don't want to go full-time at this company 'cause I'd seen just how blood-sucking corporate life could be, and I was like, okay, yeah, at

13:18 that time, at you know, 17, you know, making40, 000 a year, be more than ever. I was like, man, that just sounds awful. Like it's so miserable. It's like literally like office space. Like

13:27 that's what our environment was like, you know? And so, I was like, you know what? If I'm going to do the military, I'm not going to go and join like the Coast Guard or anything like that. If

13:37 I'm going to do it, like I'm going to do, I'm gonna prove everybody wrong. 'Cause everybody was like, Okay, Jake, go to the Air Force. It's gonna be easy for you. And I was like, Now fuck you

13:44 that. I was like, I'm gonna make it in the room. Also, I'm gonna make it in the chair force. Yeah, I was like, You know what? So I was literally the easiest recruit. I literally walked into

13:51 the Marine Corps recruiting station. Usually they have to like sell you. Usually like parents are like dropping their kids off, like, you know, taking and screaming. I don't wanna go. And I was

13:60 like, How soon can I leave? And he was like, I can get you off, you know, about 25 days you can ship out. And I was like, Cool, send me up Wow. And that was it. So then January the next year,

14:09 I ship off to San Diego, and I was in for a world of hurt. I mean, they beat so much into me. I was a punk kid, man. I was entitled. I thought the world kind of owed me something for some

14:22 reason.

14:25 I don't know. I attribute, like I have, like, best four years of my life, worst four years of my life, all kind of all been at one. But if I had to do it again, absolutely hands down would

14:34 absolutely do that again because it really molded me into who I am and it instilled a certain level. It like helped me hone in on a few things. It showed me for one that I did never wanna do the

14:49 corporate life whatsoever, because the armed forces is the most corporate you'll ever get.

14:57 Your entire experience is dictated on the kind of managers that you have. So anybody who's kind of over you. And so that, but it also sort of show a lot of discipline in me and it has showed me

15:07 what truly, truly hard work is and that you can physically go, like your mind is usually the first thing that kind of goes when things get really, really tough. And so it showed me what was truly

15:19 possible, especially being that skinny kid of like, putting your body to the test over the course of months and months of absolutely grueling training and not knowing if you're gonna survive it or

15:31 anything And so I think it just beat into me a few things. And so coming out of that. You know, I spent my time in California becoming out of that. I was like, I'll never work for anybody again.

15:42 Like that's not on the table. But still I had no clue what I was going to do in my life. But I just knew that that for sure. And I knew at that point that I was like, you know what? I never want

15:52 to do this. And I know what hard work looks like. So I'm going to work even harder than that to accomplish whatever it is that I want to accomplish. Did you go on like to Iraq or Afghanistan or

16:04 anything like that? So you were in California

16:08 Yeah, I was in California. So the 20 in Palm is the first year, which 20 in Palm is Satan's asshole. It's like the worst place

16:17 in the United States. No, so 20 in Palm is actually very close to nothing.

16:22 It's like right outside of Joshua Tree. I don't know a lot of people like to go Joshua Tree. I don't know why anybody would ever want to go to Joshua Tree is serious. It's literally just, it's

16:30 like going to Midland. It's like,

16:33 it's like absolutely nothing out there. Kind of close Palm Springs too. but you're at a little bit of a higher elevation it's a little bit more of a mountainous desert terrain there's only two

16:43 climates is either one hundred and fifteen degrees outside or it's fifteen degrees outside and that is where they do what's called Mojave Vipers if You're going to Afghanistan Ruin Iraq the closest

16:54 geography that we have that the United States is at twenty nine palms is actually the largest base that we have but it's the people and the buildings are so close together but it's just miles and

17:07 miles and miles of square miles of just nothing and so they go out there and they play war they blow stuff up usually do that for like two or three months to kind of get a little acclimated to the

17:17 terrain and kind of what to expect as opposed to just dropping you off in Afghanistan and I wasn't there for my Viper X and Deploy but I was there for communications school they thought what better

17:27 place than to put a natural the middle of nowhere masters com school for a year building rebuilding ice repairing

17:35 radio systems, data systems, things like that, they go in either Hummers or man packs. And then from there, went out to the fleet in Camp Pendleton, which is smack dab right in between San Diego

17:46 and LA. If you don't know, it's pretty much, if it's not part of the beach town, it is Camp Pendleton. Camp Pendleton's huge too. Which is literally like, as bad as 29 Palms was, Camp

17:55 Pendleton made up for it, 'cause it's the best duty station. 'Cause you're like a 15 minute drive from the ocean. So it goes surfing all the time, you're running on the beach. You're also very

18:05 close to Blue Bear. It's a Blue Bear, a big bear. Big bear, a big bear. Big bear, big bear. So a big bear during the summer, you can go fishing, it's a wonderful place. During the winter,

18:13 you can go snowboarding, skiing. You're also close to like Ocatea Wells, the desert. So if you wanna go out there and go dirt biking and things. So like every bit of like extra time that we had

18:22 when we weren't doing like field ops, like I was out there having the time of my life. So there's that. So that was kind of the silver lining.

18:33 I was actually training for the Marine Corps boxing team the last year that I was in and so there's like this thing to where a buddy of mine he was a boxer and so he was able to record boxing team he

18:43 left the fleet you just go on a box people for a year and as a cool i'd much rather do this and fix radios so tried out for the team then they came down there was like hey do you Wanna deployed will

18:52 be in the Boston team cause you can do both I was like put me in coach let's do it and then we didn't ploy so there's no sense so you say you're twenty one right he was worried twenty one when you

19:05 came out twenty two I was twenty two when I got up so so you've got so you're twenty two years old bright I obviously you've got varied skills at this point and you sort of knew at that time you're

19:16 like it that the formal structure of the hierarchical ORG chart is not where you're going to end up in your career but at twenty two that's easier said than done right you don't have money you don't

19:28 know that much what was your path from then really until I guess GDS wear, and then let's talk about you meeting Colin and starting wildcatters. So one of the things that I don't really ever talk

19:39 about, but it's also, it's a huge stepping stone to kind of what set me on this path was, you know, I'm in California. I literally know one girl that I was friends with in high school who lived

19:49 in LA. And so I went and hung out with her. I met her boyfriend who's literally one of my best friends today, Harrison, I'm hanging out with him tomorrow. And he wanted to do this whole concept

20:01 of a startup of he had this idea of mashing matchcom with finding roommates. So in LA, even if you're in your 30s or 40s, nobody can afford to live by themselves unless you're just absolutely rich.

20:15 And so he had all these terrible roommates and all these awful stories. And so imagine you're able to go and find an extra room, but also you do this personality test and you match up with somebody.

20:26 And then second to that, we also were coming up with a flat score, so a renter score. to where just like you're rating Uber drivers and they're also rating you vice versa. It was something kind of

20:36 like that. And so it was like kind of like a two for one. So I would go up there on the weekends. I remember Motorcycle all the way up to LA. And I mean, I was not like a partner in this by any

20:46 means. I wasn't getting paid. It was just like, this was fun. And so we would go up there and we would just hack away on whatever it was. I had no clue what I was doing. But it just seemed like

20:56 it was fun. And so through that, I discovered this whole concept of like Silicon Valley and everything that was going on there and then being able to just go put together a pitch deck and like, you

21:05 know, fabricate this idea and build financial models and then raise money off of that. It was like, ah, it's pretty cool. So I did, whenever I came out to Houston, I did the only thing that I

21:13 really knew would kind of get me closer to that, which was go to school for computer science. You know, I already had this hardware background. I was bored, did you wanna do that anymore? I was

21:22 like, well, I'll just go build software. Like I'll come up with some cool ideas. I'll just build some software. I'll build the next Facebook, whatever And so went to school for three semesters.

21:33 at Lone Star College. And then originally, and I'd never tell anybody this, 'cause I actually just forget about it until now, is that my goal was to, my wife from California, was that I was

21:44 going to come here, do all my pre-requisite stuff, kind of get on my feet again, work somewhere for at least a few semesters, and then transfer back to California to Stanford, because that was

21:59 what all the tech bros did It was like everybody goes to Stanford if you're a developer, and I was like, okay, that's what I'm going to do. So I go to Stanford. That never happened, I've never

22:07 left Houston since. And so I was working as a personal trainer while I was in school, and I saw a guy pull up, I'm a huge car guy, if anybody knows anything about me. I saw a guy pull up in a

22:18 Porsche GT2, 2002 Porsche GT2. Very exclusive car, GT3s are very popular, GT2 is extremely rare, and I was like, that's interesting. You don't just own a GT2 by accident, like you have to be

22:29 an enthusiast. and then he pulled up in a couple of other cars like I'D seen Command Workout Stuff and I was like the fuck does this Guy do come to find what does he do so come to find out he was

22:39 developer and then and he didn't know anything about his workouts were awful and I was like okay rather than Melee try to sell him on like being a client of mine or whatever and you know we started

22:51 chatting and you know he's a Garmin developer so essentially what we started doing as we started working out together and so I helped him get in better shape and then he started teaching me how to

23:00 code in the real world he's like everything you want in school is not accurate it's just not on how the real world works so that progress too and missing off two days a week Tuesdays and thursdays

23:12 from school and from work altogether I'd go to his house who would just hack away on things that's Awesome vetted last very long before I realized he was like Hey I've been working on this project my

23:22 dad owns a pretty good sized private oil company in Houston And I've been building software for his company to help him kind of like manage his data a little better. And I was like, that's

23:32 interesting. Like I don't know anything about oil and gas. And he showed this to me. And we luckily had some kind of contacts actually. His cousin had worked at P2. And

23:43 so we got some feedback on P2. We got some feedback in Quorum. We kind of just a little bit of digging, not really the greatest due diligence, but we were like, okay, well this seems interesting

23:51 enough. So long story short, I ended up finishing out that semester and dropped out of school, quit my job, and we went all in. Had absolutely no clue what I was doing. That was GDS work.

24:02 Amazing. Wow. So you didn't have an ESME at that time. Like, 'cause I was impressed with Tim Cone and with you just in general, like I remember seeing you on you and Mark LeCor, you know,

24:15 talking, and I'm like, this guy knows his stuff, even though his background is like a personal trainer, right? Which sort of, you know, it reminds me of a conversation I had with Colin, when I.

24:27 It was up here for the energy tech showcase when your wife was just having one of your kids. So I actually helped him for you the first time I did OGS. And that was awesome. But I remember asking

24:38 Colin questions. And I'm like, well, how about this? How about that? And he looked at me one point, he goes, I don't know, man. I just sort of get into stuff and figure it out. And I think

24:48 that's a quality that I really admire. From people kind of your generation, and even younger, is whether it's leveraging technology, or whatever You generation them, you just want, you just you

24:58 generation them? When you're millennial, right? Come on. I'm 32, so whatever that makes me, I think I'm millennial. Yeah. I think that's right, square in the audience. But problem solving.

25:10 And I think you and Colin do a tremendous job of problem solving. So talk about him a little bit, right? Both of you guys have a huge online profile. I knew you, obviously, 13, 14, 15, 16 And

25:23 then Colin started to hit. my Radar probably seventeen twenty seven long Timeframe Outta nowhere range just coming and be like this industry so fucked everybody so backwards the text behind and get

25:39 involved at getting in Linkedin fights it was highly entertaining now it's like okay well what are these guys up to right so tell Me how you Guys came together and how wildcatters became a set so very

25:51 similar to How We Met I he slid in my Deems on Linkedin and you know I'm a genius where the tons of two thousand and sixteen he's just like Hey he knows you're an entrepreneur in the oil and gas space

26:04 and you know we love to just kind of get together with like minded people and then have lunch and I'd actually meant to respond to that immediately but actually I totally didn't in there I was going

26:14 back through my messages and looking for something saw it's like six months later and was just like hey just saw this sorry about this

26:23 How can how serendipitous is this like the fact that I was looking for had I not looked for something like the butterfly effects like resist

26:31 so it was like Haley Lu would love to grab Lunch let's do something so we got together to Nico Nico's we sat down we used to just chatting mothers in the podcast prior and you know he was telling me

26:40 you know I'm from the Oilfield you know I'm usually doing two weeks on two weeks off have been all over his work and adventure global technology of the time running expandable casing and I was like

26:51 you know I'm Re I was reading certain books about like real say in real estate investing the time kind of looking to invest in some things and he'd L hatred of the same books we were on kind of the

27:01 same online forums can coincidentally as wall he was looking at starting a trash truck company and as a less interesting than you can explain to me the economics of Trash trucking and I was like cool

27:11 article that Sounds pretty cool so like a one hour was supposed to be a one hour lunch like a three hour lunch and I just feel like we hit it off as like we always said it was like that scene from

27:19 stepbrothers like do we just become best friends you Know Yup and those when Karate in the garage and from there it was like we just started texting every day and it was just like hey what do you

27:32 thing with his hey what do you think about this and it just kinda became this thing of I think very early on the thing that bonds does a few things but submit some of the few things that kind of

27:42 bonded colin and I was similar ambitions in what we wanted to to really accomplish out of life I think very early on both of US was like hey it's not about the money but I think what we want to

27:52 accomplish is like become billionaires just for the like it's a game and like monies points and I didn't think he was crazy when when he said it and I didn't think and then like vice versa like we

28:05 were like Hey I think we can do that and and there was work ethic it was like finally I felt like especially after been grinding my Wiener off for few years at GDS where it was like finally somebody

28:17 who I felt like understood what it took Um, you know, to work hard. And then also like what you just said, it was if somebody who was like me and just figuring things out, you know? And so like

28:30 through that, it was like, you know, Wac had it wasn't born immediately. It was like we met in 16 and then he was still working. You know, I was trying to do well hub. We actually got an office

28:44 for, it was like part well hub, part creator house who we've since acquired who was married to Jacob Those guys were so good. They worked with us, you know, very early on. It was also for our

28:55 wells in Oklahoma that we ended up acquiring. That was just something, that was part of something that was so much bigger, or supposed to be something that was so much bigger than this turned out

29:06 to us just operating some wells in Oklahoma. Great experience. 2017

29:12 when we're at WeWork, we actually host a first happy hour

29:18 And a few hundred people showed up. And that was pretty cool. And nobody knew who we were really at that point. I mean, I was podcasting stuff, but still nobody really knew who we were. And

29:28 we're like, oh, this is kind of cool. So we started doing a few more of those. A certain group of people ended up kind of like branding those as their own and kind of taking over and those have

29:37 since died. But that was like, hey, this is something kind of cool here. And then 2018 rolls around. We're doing the whole tech founder thing in oil and gas with Well Hub and operating walls at

29:49 the same time. And we had a lot of friends who were founders. And we're like, you know what? We're having a lot of cool lunches. We're like, you know what? I'm running podcasting. Colin was

29:59 really interested in kind of pursuing this idea as well. I was like, let's just do one called the Welling gas service podcast and see - nobody's probably going to listen to it. But the worst case

30:06 scenario is I have a reason to reach out to guys that I want to connect with, whether it be through like ENPCEOs or other tech founders to a much more successful than me, to surround myself with

30:18 these kind of guys.

30:20 we build a pretty good network and we have kind of fun doing it. You know, so we're like, all right, let's do it. So we launched that and had really nuclear we were doing with it. And then it

30:31 kind of grew organically over time. Um, so what is the birthday of digital wildcatters? Cause I always thought when you guys had the wells, it was officially digital wildcatters then digital

30:43 wildcatters was originally the name of our YouTube channel. Okay. That was, that's all it was. It's a really, it's a really good name We were thinking of it one day and we were thinking names for

30:53 some, that is the names for the YouTube channel. I was like digital wildcatters and we were like, oh, that's pretty cool. So then we like bought the URL and everything. We were going to use it

31:00 for anything. We filmed like the first video that I think it's all the first video that we have on YouTube is us buying those wells and like going out and looking at those. Hanging out in hotel

31:10 rooms and photo, I remember. Yeah, that would came across my YouTube feed the other day. Just, yeah, we bought some oil wells. Dude, that's still like one of our best performing videos ever.

31:21 Um, and then, yeah, so then we, man, I'm trying to think. So 2018 at the Wells YouTube podcast,

31:36 we had an acquisition offer. Actually, okay, I remember this. I, I'm glad that you brought this up. I'm not going to, I'm not going to go to the details, but

31:47 it was so early It was literally like four or five months into podcasting. Um, not going to say who it was. If you know, you know, um, I think I know ended up not working out. Uh, both of us

31:60 had a gut feeling that there wasn't the, uh, wasn't the direction that we wanted to go. That ended up being a very, very good decision by the best decision we ever made, one of them. Um, and so

32:09 then we just said, okay, there's something here. We don't know what it is, but LLC an got we, know you, So company legit a into this turn let's

32:15 . We turned it into actually digital walk adders and then oil and gas service podcasts kind of being just a podcast kind of underneath that. Slowly kind of sort of putting out some more content.

32:28 Rolling into 2019, we started doing energy tech nights. And then actually, if you go back and look at any of the materials, it wasn't actually under digital walk adders. It was actually under our

32:39 consulting company, Deep Rock Advisors. So we were consulting like various technology companies at Silicon Valley and international that had a product and they thought there was a fit for it in

32:52 oil and gas. And so we would go and just talk to people, literally. It was just like interviewing a ton of people to seeing if there was like some sort of fit there. We never set out to do that.

33:01 We were figuring out how we were gonna pay bills and we had opportunities. We seized the opportunities, did a few clients and that held us over for like a year. So yeah, we did three energy tech

33:12 nights in 2019 We did two, we work, and we did the third one at. St. Arnold's here in Houston and a few hundred people each time. And the idea was like, I mean, it's the same as it is now is,

33:23 hey, we're talking about let's go technologies. It'd be kind of cool if somebody demoed them live to an audience of EP as OFS companies, investors, so on and so on. And then like real stuff

33:32 happened. The companies were actually getting clients, companies were actually getting investors.

33:38 So yeah, and then 2020 hit. We were also working on some secret selfie stuff in 2019 that we didn't really tell many people about, if you know you know, once again, that'll all kind of come to

33:49 light one day. And 2020 rolls around. We got to a milestone with that company that we co-founded and decided that there was a decision to be made. It was one or the other. And so we left something

34:04 that was fun. We'd raised like five million bucks at a good valuation. We were partners in that company. We built a great team, great technology, has a potential to change the industry. And

34:13 hopefully those guys go on and do some really really great things with it.

34:17 Or we go out and do something that we were really passionate about. We were making absolutely no money on. So we chose a ladder and then we were like, I, we're doing it. And then literally we had,

34:28 we had like in our office at the time, we were in downtown Houston, we had built like this pricing monitor. We're literally monitored, monitored CME. So you'd see crude prices, natural gas

34:37 prices, four curves in real time. And so we're having a conversation with somebody. And in real time, we watched it go to negative 37 Oh, and we still had not made like, we didn't figure out how

34:50 we were going to turn this side gig into like a business or anything. And we were nervous to like, to say the least, good enough cash. We were actually our partners at the other company had bought

35:00 us like half out. So we liquidated like half our equity. So we had enough cash to kind of last us all of 2020. Interesting on the timing there, because that's the exact time that you were talking

35:11 to Jeremy and I about starting this podcast to come into the. into the group, so it was kind of, it was interesting, 'cause we had our, I think our first podcast was that week when it went

35:24 negative. Yeah, so it was like, and this goes back to, we had no clue what we were doing in terms of trying to turn this into like, what it is today. We didn't know what the playbook was. We

35:35 didn't know like the typical rules that kind of people follow in this. We didn't know any of that. So we only did what we knew was like, let's just do more. I don't know, let's just do that So

35:46 obviously, we knew you guys were like, hey, let's launch this. You guys were the first podcast. And then I think by the end of 2020, we launched six. Yeah,

35:56 and then - Oh, yeah. Find a second. There was some other viral podcasts in the other number.

36:06 And yes, we had like six podcasts, I think, by the end of 2020. We launched the newsletter, which was originally the round-up non-SPDE

36:15 towards the end of the year, we kind of worked out some of our first kind of brand deals with some organizations. And I think they kind of further legitimized what we were doing and

36:25 helped us survive. And then. And now the events are back on. Events are back on. What is the, it seems like digital aisle caters has morphed a few times, you know, at least from the outside

36:39 looking in, from my, I don't know, because they're self on the outside of this What's the 30 second elevator pitch when someone says, what is digital aisle caters? What are you, are you guys an

36:49 event company? Are you a technology company, podcast company? And I'm guessing you'll say, yeah, we're all of that, but what do you tell people? What is the vision statement? I think it

37:00 depends on who you're talking to. If I'm talking to my dad or someone who's older, who's not from the industry, like my dad's a police officer, and he asked me or anybody else asked me, like a

37:11 family get together, what do you do?

37:14 I try to use an analogy that would help him understand. It's like we're kind of like a, like a CNN, right? But we also do kind of like events and stuff like that. You know, that's not a great

37:23 way to explain it. To anybody who's somewhere close to our age and familiar with varsity sports, I like to say that we're the varsity sports of energy. It's very quickly becoming even like so much

37:34 more than that. I just feel like we're kind of becoming this movement within the energy industry where it's, it's so much bigger than me or Colin or you guys or anybody else that's actually on the

37:43 team. Like there's a lot of headers is like this movement of people who are wanting to challenge the status quo and like this community. And I think

37:52 our app collide is gonna be a huge kind of player in bringing that community together over time. So it kind of depends, I mean, at our core, are we a media company? Yes, but everything we do is

38:02 for the community. All the events are based on feedback that we get from members. If we didn't have this community, we wouldn't have guests on our shows We wouldn't have people that are coming to

38:11 the events or presenting at events. Nobody would come to our parties, so it's like, I would say that this version

38:21 of Wildcatters has really been driven by what does the community want and need, and just constantly listening to people. That was a big part of what we did in 2020 was more than anything, because

38:31 we couldn't raise any capital, because there was no capital to raise, so as a set of shipping stuff, it was just talking to people, and so just figuring out, like, Hey, you know what we do?

38:40 What can we do better? What does the industry need? So, we had a lot of conversations with people that really kind of led to us launching collide. Even though we haven't done a heavy, heavy push

38:49 of that, it's kind of by design. It's, you know, how do we bring together, like, especially, we were really thinking in that COVID world of we couldn't do energy tech nights, we didn't know if

39:01 we were ever going to be able to do events again, at least in the next few years, we didn't know how long the pandemic was going to last. It was like, Well, how do we continue to bring together

39:08 people who are peers in the industry to be able to exchange ideas. that ultimately moves this industry forward. Our mission is we like to say that is to accelerate innovation and disruption in this

39:22 space. And a lot of that's really been at the intersection of technology in the industry. But I think it's expanding beyond that in terms of how can we influence things culturally? Like dressing

39:34 casual is not just for the fun stick of like, hey, we're the casual, bar social sports of energy. It's also like, I think it goes to show like, hey, we're in this new kind of world where it

39:42 doesn't matter necessarily what you wear or what you look like. It's a meritocracy. It's what's up here and what you can kind of contribute to the community is what's really valuable. And we've

39:53 seen that with now that everybody's, you know, working from home and, you know, kind of just working in T-shirts and jeans, that that's really what's important. Let's focus on the important

40:02 things that really moves the industry forward and not these things that's going to hold us back. And also at the same time, it's like, how do you attract young talent when you're competing against

40:10 the Silicon Valley firms that are already doing it.

40:13 So, all right, so it's been an amazing journey. Really, I mean, Digital Wildcatters is a two-year-old company, really, in its current form. I mean, if you wanna look at that way. So this

40:26 week, as we record this, you just did the Midland, what do we, is it the tech showcase or not tech showcase or internet tech night? So the Midland energy tech night. And all reports I've had so

40:38 far, it was great. And I'm gonna ask you about it. But then the picture you post is you sitting at Clayton Williams desk, right? Yeah. And I just started thinking about, you know, in these two

40:49 years, what's the coolest thing, most rewarding thing or most fun thing? What is the coolest thing that's you've gotten to do because of digital wildcatchers? Is it sitting there contemplating

41:00 life at Clayton Williams desk or, you know, or something like that? And while you're thinking of it, I'm gonna guess that it's not when you tour your ACL doing - No.

41:10 Definitely not the high point of my life. And then I got COVID like, I don't know, two months later, like right after my surgery. And so, and then I forgot to take my anxiety and depression

41:21 medication on top of it. And so it was a, it was not fun.

41:25 I think going by, I know a post you're talking about and I mean, I kind of said it as it kind of came to my mind. It was like things like sitting at Clayton Williams desk. It was his actual desk.

41:38 We were sitting there He had the opportunity to go in and talk to his right hand man, Mel Riggs, Mel great guy, had the opportunity to meet Modesto Williams, he was Clayton Williams' wife.

41:50 Absolutely fantastic lady. And he's just walking us through the office and the walls are completely covered in pictures and metals and all sorts of stuff. And the guy lived an absolutely fascinating

42:01 life. But

42:04 it's like, I feel like Connor and I always knew moments like that we're going to come. And it's because we manifested it and we knew that, and it kind of goes back to like, just like starting the

42:13 podcast of, there's been some really, really cool moments like that. And then having like John Arnold in the podcast, he was somebody, it was on my like short list of like, who would be rock

42:22 stars that we eventually want to get on and never didn't know if it was going to be possible, but I mean, we made stuff like that happen. There's some other really cool moments that I won't talk

42:31 about that are also like really, really surreal, the people that I get to hang out with and the friends that I've made of guys who are just absolute movers and shakers in this industry. Toby Rice

42:43 is a great friend of ours now and the Rice Brothers and everything that they've done. Great friends with Alan Gilmer. I mean, he was arguably built one of the biggest tech behemas in this industry

42:52 ever. Absolutely, absolutely brilliant guy.

42:57 Yeah, it's also real, but it's not necessarily surprising. And I don't wanna come across as arrogant when I say that. What I'm trying to say, is that we had a clear vision of the kinds of people

43:09 that we wanted to surround ourselves with. We wanted to be the dumbest people in the room. We wanted to be the brokeest people in the room. And by building essentially this platform to provide some

43:21 kind of value to them, it allowed it to make these kind of things happen. And now these opportunities kind of present themselves more frequently. And I think at the same time, it's also cool.

43:32 We're getting to tell some really, really cool stories. There's a lot of things that we're working on behind the scenes that we haven't talked about. Shooting documentaries that not only have the

43:41 ability to change the industry from within, it's like some of those highly produced content this industry's ever seen. But I think that the responsibility now that we have is also to change public

43:55 perception of how this industry is perceived. And especially now, and the first time in our lifetime, good or bad energy is at the forefront

44:05 And so it's our responsibility to not only like to really be a champion for oil and gas and all the great things that it does for the world, but we also see is another kind of responsibility of ours

44:16 is also to kind of bridge that gap between the oil and gas world in this new world of renewables and saying true to ourselves and our brand and being pragmatic we've been extremely difficult and

44:29 critical about some of the things of oil and gas we want to clean up the way that we do things whether be literally cleaning things up or whether it be culturally from ES or G perspective. I think

44:40 the last two kind of get neglected sometimes. But doing the same thing on the renewable side and saying, you know, hey, if it makes sense it makes sense but if it doesn't it doesn't, you know,

44:49 and call something what it is. So So one of the things that I was and I'm just going to I'm going to stroke you a little bit on this one but the evolve conference digital conference I call it a

45:03 conference that the evolve event. that you guys put together, I was, yeah, I've seen your other videos that you've done. That thing was so cool. Dude, we watched it together. We watched it

45:17 together. Tim, we watched it in your office. That's right, you were down visiting. We threw it up on the big screen, and I can tell you that Larry Denver, who you met Jake, we're sitting there

45:27 looking at this going, I can't believe the absolute quality of the work that was going on, and I know there was a lot of, behind the scenes, holy crap, that's not working, let's pivot, and

45:38 let's do some other stuff, but that whole thing was great. Is that gonna be in the offing coming forward? Do we do more of those or? Absolutely. It's something that Connor and I are actually a

45:48 part of like this small little private mastermind group or whatever, of other people in various industries that are in like the B2B media space. And so it's pretty cool to be able to share things

46:00 like that and in a form like that, we're all in a stock group together. and I wanted to get feedback on what they thought of that, 'cause we'd never seen anybody do that. It was like every virtual

46:08 conference was, it was Zoom calls. Yeah, exactly, it was like a panel, right? You got five people in a month. Yeah, and we saw the opportunity there, and we had partnered with a company to

46:21 make that happen. We were on the hook for a lot more money than we'd ever even made to be able to pull that off. And I saw the opportunity to just say, if we're gonna do this, we have the ability

46:32 to do it pre-recorded. Let's not like, we'll stream it live. So let's up production. Let's make it like Netflix, right? So that it's a cool asset and then even if the events are over, people

46:42 can go back and watch these and enjoy watching it and add in nice editing and all that kind of stuff and maybe even music. And then at the same time, it was like.

46:53 Nice mix of live and pre-recorded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're back and forth It's like watching a highly produced six o'clock newscast. Yeah. Over two days, it really was. And

47:07 that was what blew me away. 'Cause yeah, you'd seen the, hey, we bought some oil wells video. That is cool, it's got music, it's well edited. But that was

47:17 suddenly, I'd like to attend that. Yeah. You know, type of thing. Like, so I think it's a format that we're planning on doing, moving forward, we're gonna do in-person events, like we're

47:27 doing the ETNs, but also wanted to continue to format, we believe it is like kind of, you know, pretty cutting edge. There is potentially the opportunity emerging those two things together of,

47:40 if you guys have ever been to any kind of like larger church these days that has satellite campuses, you know, some of these campuses actually have like no pastor in person. It's like, you know,

47:52 you go to a movie theater, you go to some place where there's large AV and they broadcast that on there. And so, who's to say that we can't still have like pre-recorded content and do it in a

48:01 really, engaging way. And then. you know, do it at the heights theater tour. You can still bring together 500 people and have like that in-person networking kind of component to it. So we're

48:13 going to have some that are definitely going to be purely virtual. And so we're going to up the production quality, even higher than we did before. I love the format. But

48:21 also still continue to do these in-person events. And then now we're starting to do, like in November, we've got our new wave event, which is kind of considered to be more exclusive. It looked

48:34 kind of cool. I actually would have probably gone to that or applied to go. But I'm at a retreat that week. But it looks amazing. It really looks neat. Tim, are you thinking about going to that?

48:44 No, dude, I'm in the Middle East. That's right. That's right. So let's tell our boss. We're going to be taking a week off, because I'm going to be in the Middle East. And he's going to be in

48:53 California to retreat. Yeah. So that's just takes everything to an entirely new level of being able to do something in more of an intimate environment, bringing in guys like. you know, some top

49:03 level guys from across the industry to be able to lead kind of these guided discussions were a little bit more hands on, a little bit more intimate to be able to, you know, kind of get in the room

49:12 with these guys, go golf and go eating. And it's a couple days of networking. So we're gonna do that. And we got some really cool stuff too. It's unfortunate, me, Tim, you're here in Houston

49:21 you, got to drop mine up more often. But Jamie said, unfortunately that you're in Denver because we may be moving offices in the next six months to a place that is not an office, but it's way

49:34 cooler than we're gonna have now. Are we gonna have an octagon in it? May have an octagon, may have an octagon depending on how big the backyard is. If that gives you any clue. Huh, okay, oh,

49:47 a backyard. All right. A backyard. Well, that'll be good for content. So I'm actually - The idea is like, we have like all these things, like tonight we're having an Astro's Watch Portator

49:58 office, Right? It's not huge. It's probably 12 people, 15 people. Things like that, like - If I was down there, I'd go to that stuff all the time. Yeah, just like having a fun place to come

50:08 and hang out and it being like this new age, essentially what it is now, like a new age petroleum club, like for millennials, if you were to kind of rethink that, like somebody comes in from

50:17 Midland or Denver and he's a place to camp out between meetings, like our office is always full of stragglers. So like, how do you lean into that and make like a really cool place for the community

50:27 to come together?

50:29 You know, I'm sorry, Tim, you got something? No, no, I was just going to say it's fantastic. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm going to, as Tim said, I'm going to stroke you here a little bit too.

50:39 I'm going to stroke so much this. Two things. Two things. One, and I've said this to both you and Colin. Wildcatters coming in and being disruptive has enabled people like me to have more of a

50:51 voice. I almost felt like in some ways, throughout my career, I just sort of had to tip it off. to along the status quo and do things a certain way. And I saw how you guys were going about it

51:01 without giving any fucks. And I'm like, wait a second, that's cool too. But the other piece is you guys have a really big following. You also have some haters, but we don't need to talk about

51:13 that. You have a really big and loyal following which is like Barstool Sports. And that can't be replicated. The reason I think you guys have that is because authenticity really plays nowadays And

51:25 you and Colin and really everybody on your platform, we're all just who we are, right? Nobody here is pretending to be a different persona. And I think that is attractive to a larger community to

51:36 say, hey, these guys say they're gonna do something, they go and do it and it sort of permeates through the rest of the organization, even to people like us that are really only tied in through a

51:44 Slack channel and a couple of texts every week. We feel like we're a part of something and I have great appreciation for you guys and what you're doing I think it's fantastic to see. you finally

51:55 going out on your own with funk futures and all the great things that you guys are doing there and allowing you to finally kind of spread your wings. And it's so awesome to see the success that you

52:04 guys are having, you know, and being able to like really lean into that. And we want to see more of it, you know? And I think that I'd be lying if I said that there's a walk hater's community as

52:16 a whole, you know, it hasn't grown and had an impact on the industry. You know, you're seeing, especially like in 2020, it was like the silver lining was a lot of people got, you know,

52:24 severance packages that got laid off and you're seeing people go and start more EMPs or you're seeing them start more like technology companies or, you know, people like yourself going off and doing

52:32 what you're doing. And so it's cool. Like, we want more people to like create content and like, we're just showing like what is possible. You know, everybody said it was gonna be career suicide

52:44 for us and my dad still doesn't get it. He actually called me yesterday and he was like, I assume we were the keynote speakers at Nomoga. about a month ago. And I sent him the talk just to just

52:55 let him see because he was heavy head questions about it. And he's like, would it kill you to put on a button up shirt or a suit? No, it's part. I mean, I right now, if if you were to do that,

53:06 there'd be a hole. What's wrong? Yeah, exactly. What's I mean, if you weren't standing up there, imitating Matthew McConaughey from the Wolf of Wall Street, you know, on stage or, you know,

53:17 or if the meme overlord wasn't throwing out the controversial meme every couple of weeks, you know, it just wouldn't be digital wildcatters. Yeah. And the idea is, and I think Jeremy, you hit

53:29 the nail on the head, it's the brand is authenticity. And that's not something that's unique to us. It's something that everybody should absolutely play to. I think we've gotten so tied up in kind

53:40 of this. Let's use the analogy of a lot of people have a LinkedIn, you know, if you're some sort of professional, You also have an Instagram, right? And you go and look at some of these profiles

53:50 like next to each other. You look at mine and it's pretty much the same. I think on my Instagrams, I post a lot more of my kids. But a lot of people like to kind of put on this completely

53:57 different persona. I think what we realized early on was so many of you on this industry were like so cool. And it was like, but they just either, because they were, you know, had an employer,

54:06 they couldn't say what they actually wanted to say. And I think that that's where we kind of like, kind of drew a hard line in the same. As we started saying things that were set in private and

54:15 public and, you know, it caught on, it worked, I guess. So I think, I would just encourage more people to be authentic. If you have the ability to do so and you're not absolutely beholden to an

54:27 employer who doesn't let you put out any sort of content, you know, we're still in the first inning of this whole creator economy and content these days is currency. It doesn't matter what you're

54:38 doing. You know, anytime that you want to sell a product or a service, you know, to kind of become that trusted advisor for whatever it may be. People are going to be looking to content, you

54:49 know, like one of the things that I want to do soon, and I've been talking about it is kind of as a side hustle is to, I want to start an exotic car rental company here in Houston, I see an

54:59 opportunity for it. And one of the first things that I'm thinking about is what is our content strategy. That's it. Like, I know the economics of the business, I know it's going to work, but

55:08 it's like, what's the content strategy? How do I break the internet to make sure that people are paying attention to it? You know, and by falling in line with the status quo and rank and file of

55:17 doing exactly what everyone else is doing, you don't get noticed. And it doesn't mean that you have to be absolutely eccentric and completely untrue to hear you. Like, be true to yourself, but

55:28 like, you are unique. Like, everybody is unique, so play to that. Yeah, Sam, my mind's going now just like, so first, you get to go hit yourI'm a car guy thing by doing that. That's just an

55:40 itch that I see, I see videos of Jake rolling around town with various people in the car with him. Maserati's and whatnot. Yeah, something. I don't know. Oh, man. Well, selfishly, I want a

55:53 fleet of exotic cars and I want to be able to have them make me money. So that's the whole reason I'm doing it. And it's like the like making money on the side is like, there's just cherry on top.

56:05 But having access to a fleet of cars that I can drive is the entire purpose that I want to do it. Man, no, no shortage of ideas. And just to point this out again to the listeners, when you got

56:19 you guys are big about saying you're going to do something and then actually doing it, right? There's a big difference, I think, between someone who just talks a lot and has a lot of ideas. Like

56:28 most of your ideas come to fruition. And I love to see that. So I'm going to hold you to this. We're coming back in a year. We're talking about your exotic car. Elevated Exotics. I already got

56:36 the name. As long as I can get the domain name, which I'm pulling up purchasing soon

56:42 The price just went up, as is - The price just went up, no, no, no. well that's not to say Larissa lives one last point on that is it's like freaks me out of the universe and then just dick doing

56:51 what you're seeking to do does not necessarily mean that it's going to be successful like the path to success is paved with tons and tons and tons of failures and I think that that's one thing the

57:02 corner I really see that while is that we're not scared to take these big risk in these big chances a lot of the times having absolutely zero clue like when we hired Stephanie we didn't know how we

57:13 were Gonna pair we got this office we had like two weeks to figure out how we were going to pay for that you know but it was like we're Gonna do it and we're going to figure it out and we and we have

57:22 doesn't mean we have failed and but I think that to anybody who's listening who wants to go off and do their own thing this applies all aspects of life has it's like failure is the path forward like

57:33 that's not something that you can go around like you're not going to knock it out of the park every single time and if I'm looking to like I dunno like say with with this exotic car cartoony the ideal

57:42 person for to like run that is an entrepreneur who's had like two, three failures under his belt and understand what that's like to now come in and absolutely succeed with this, you know? That's

57:53 fantastic. That is a keynote speech right there somewhere. I don't know where yet, but that's a good keynote. I'm gonna start another company. I already got enough companies right now. But I'm

58:03 coming down next week, Jake. I'm actually coming on your podcast, OGS. Oh, yeah. That's next week. And then I got a VIP table at Energy Tech Night And I've never been to Energy Tech Night.

58:14 You've never been at home, I've never been. I know, so I had to. Stephanie sold me. So kudos to her. Make sure you get her commission, right? She sold me hard and it's like, I'll give you the

58:22 Midland price, but don't tell anyone. Don't tell anybody, but Stephanie makes more money than us. And I love it. I absolutely love it. She crushes it. How often? She crushes it. Yeah, and

58:32 she's cool. And then you get Donnie by default, too. We get Donnie by default, man. It's like a two for one. I think Donnie's whole life is by default. So no plus one human plus one, the

58:45 monogamous, Don Draper, yes. Anyway, Jake, we're going to cut this. But how can people find you if they want to get ahold of you for speaking engagements or talk about your podcast or any of

58:55 that stuff? How do people find you order rent exotic cars? Yeah, nobody's out of cars. Um, I'll give you your on that later. Um, but say a LinkedIn, if you want to email me, Jake at

59:05 digitalwalkatterscom. Um, if you really want to reach me, ask somebody for my phone number I'm sure these guys haven't, um, I'll

59:13 talk to anybody about anything. So feel free to find me. We definitely will. And I'm just going to say this before we go, cause I want to normalize this. One of the things that I love about the

59:24 digital wildcatters is like, when I see you guys, when we leave, we literally say, I love you, you know what I mean? Like I mean that, like I, I love you guys. I love what you're doing and

59:34 just, just continue, you know, Staying Authentic and fostering the culture because it's helping so many different people that you know including the two of US so you are now absolutely this is I

59:44 say this a SS of too few people lately it's like I get to come home and you know my my kids are kind of climbing all over me and it's like it's still so surreal that especially describing to somebody

59:56 like my Dad or somebody who's like not from this industry like what I get to do for living and just kind of bullion down to this like working with you guys and getting to hang out with cool people and

1:00:05 do podcast and hosts is really awesome events and you swim or just parties like that is like the best life ever and so and I and I don't take that for granted like I totally appreciate that and I try

1:00:18 to stay grounded in two thousand and seventeen being rock bottom and in understanding where we've come from then I'm like I'm extremely grateful to like this community for you know for allowing this

1:00:30 app without the community we'd be nothing without you Guys we'd be nothing without all the other podcasters would be nothing so I'm grateful to, to everybody in the, in the Wildcatter community.

1:00:40 The rocker. Well said. Well said. Well, we'll see you at Energy Tech Night, my man. All right, my guys. Appreciate you having me on.