What The Funk?

0:00 Back on tripping over the barrel. This is Jeremy Funk, tribute episode number two for the great Tim Loser.

0:10 This would be the 99th ever episode that we've created. The second one, of course, without Tim. But we're gonna do what we set out to do, which is honor Tim. And we're gonna do that with some

0:22 very close colleagues, best friends, family. We got a little brother checking in, Maddie Loser from London right now. And Jose Alvarez, the president, founder, CEO, I guess, of OVS Group.

0:38 We got Larry at OVS as well. And Omar checking in from somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere, I think, you know? Yes. So you guys have all listened, of course. This was a big deal. To Tim, he

0:52 loved doing this podcast. Of course, I do too. Larry, I think you listened to Bunch, Why don't you all introduce yourselves? We'll start with Larry, that go to Jose, then Omar, and bring it

1:03 to Matt. All right, I'm Larry Denver. I work at OVS, as you said. I've worked with Tim for a very long time, and I'm sure I get into that a little bit more, so I've been in the industry about

1:15 37 years, I've been here and there, and been at OVS the last 10 years.

1:21 Jose Alvarez has

1:26 been with me from the very beginning, from out of school until the very end. I've been in the industry for a million years, I'm like a dinosaur,

1:41 I will soon become a drop of oil. Hi, I'm Omar Iskander, I'm also working OVS. I knew team from OVS only, if you want to say only, but even though they were around five, six years, I was

1:55 together with team. I became very close to him because of how Tim was and I'm very honored to be invited to this

2:05 podcast and I'm sorry for the Internet.

2:12 Matt Yeah My Closer I'm a Tim's younger brother by about five years gotten almost identical face of facial hair just a little more and more of a beard got same the same gray and everything but

2:27 obviously Tim's than My I've never known life without him so this is it's pretty weird to do this without him by my side making fun of me so with that OH well we'll try to pick will try I will try to

2:44 do that but I really wanted you to come on this because you're going to have a different perspective right my most of my experiences with work were with him were were work related and and podcast

2:54 related I think for the obvious guys it was a little bit of both because of all the international travel but for you it's it's quite literally all personal right so I'm really excited to to dive into

3:04 some of that Stuff Larry you said something to me that I've now adopted was a few weeks back we went back and forth And you said something along the lines of, yeah, last week was the first time in

3:16 25 years, Tim wasn't talking my year off.

3:20 That was awesome. Tell us a little bit about your relationship. And I think you worked together in his last stint at OVS, but you said it went back 20, 30 years. Where did it start and what did

3:31 you guys all do together? Yeah, that stretches back about 26 years, I guess. I was thinking about that this morning going guy. What is that math? But we, I first met him at Slumber J course and

3:43 Jose will talk about how white Tim got for Slumber J. But I was at Slumber J in the early 90s and Tim showed up there maybe 96. Jose, is that about right? 1996, I think from the acquisition

3:56 heaven. And he came in, I was in kind of the corporate group doing kind of marketing and a requirement stuff. And Tim popped into the US operations group He was there to present OFM, which was

4:13 Jose's first invention. So we were in different groups really, but because both of our teams would demo software, we did it corporately, internationally, wherever, and then he was responsible

4:26 for a lot of stuff there in the US. And of course, I had a bunch of demo guys that I watched Tim demo a couple of times. I'm like, man, how do we move that guy into our group? Get him out of

4:37 that crappy US operations group and get him into the real deal over here. But he was set there and did great. And I just remember him as I got to knowing a little bit there. It was really funny

4:50 because the minute they realized, man, this guy can demo anything. I mean, they were throwing every tool we had at him. And hey, Tim, we got a demo on Friday. It's Thursday. He's never seen

4:59 the tool. It's supposed to go present to the VP of drilling or something. And he really didn't - he got nervous about it because he always wanted to do a great job. He just dove in. Of course,

5:10 the first time he made the mistake of accomplishing that, it was like, you know, it was a flood of stuff being requested for him to go here and everywhere and go down most something and present to

5:20 the client. So he did that there very, very successfully. I wandered off and did some stuff. Jose told me about a great idea. He had 26 years ago and I said, well, yeah, give her, figure that

5:34 out. Let me know. It sounds like panacea, but if you ever figured it out, give me a call And he did, so I showed up here 10 years ago. And of course, the minute I got here and he was here and

5:44 others that had seen Tim work, we said, well, we got to get Tim. So Jose had already sanctioned that action. And so off we went to go get Tim and pulled him into OBS in

6:01 2015 Actually, I put another one out in December of 2013 and Tim was. sort of struggling over the fact that he'd only been working for the current company for like three weeks and we're about to

6:12 pull him out of there. Oh, right. No, I remember that and - Oh yeah. That was the real discussion. I just got here, Larry. I mean, come on, that's, I said, yeah. But this is what you need

6:23 to do. So he ended up here and, you know, the rest is stories that will last forever. That was the one surprising career thing, I guess for me was when that happened. I don't even remember the

6:35 name of the company I bet if I took a few minutes, I got into oil. But it, uh, a Claro, a Claro, right? So he was like doing, he was doing like, you know, Tim understood the whole oil and

6:47 gas technology ecosystem as well as anybody. And I think this was, okay, you've got all these data sets, it feeds into this and now you've got this picture in front of it, which of course is a

6:56 natural fit for him. But I mean, I remember him saying, he's like, it's not about them, it's really just about me. Like I want to be at OVS.

7:06 And now it makes more sense for me, 'cause you guys had known each other for a long time. Oh yeah, yeah, it fit like a glove. I think both directions and, you know, we were just enough similar

7:18 in terms of being butt heads to that it really worked well.

7:23 It was pretty smooth. Easy ham and egg guy with the demo. You know, Jose, so you have a similar sort of length of relationship with Tim. I think you even sold him the house that his family lives

7:35 in. Talk about sort of the genesis, the history of your relationship. You know, let me say, you know, that Tim worked for me. You know, I was always being the technical guy in the company. I

7:50 don't really care about sales. I don't care about people, you know, people problem. I was always being stuck on my technical world. And so, Tim got hired by Dr. George Slater, who was my

8:03 partner at ROGCI Software. as he came in as a junior salesperson from Texas AM. I think that was his first job in 1994 or something like that. I

8:18 met this young guy with a lot of energy and a lot of stories, and he used to be a trivia guy. He used to tell him, I mean, speak of trivia. I'm a trivia guy. So we used to just BS telling each

8:33 other stories about, you know, about trivia.

8:38 So in 1996, Slumber Jay bought Odyssey Eye Software. I had just started two years before, when Jim joined, you know, I started working on OFM. And of course OFM

8:59 and PA were two different beasts. So hold on, because not everybody listening fully understood. This is where I would stop Tim too. The oil and gas is acronym city and people like me get it. I

9:04 want to admit, Matt, maybe? I don't know. But tell us like, what are these acronyms for? What are these products too? PA stood for production analyst. Okay. It was the first

9:18 production engineering software in the industry. Ah. I developed that in 19, I started developing in 1985. And in 1987, I completed it and I mean, it took off It was one of the most used pieces

9:35 of software at that time in DOS. And of course, window came alone. Yeah. And it was very clunky at the beginning. So I started this new idea called OFM, oil film manager, which I started, I

9:51 actually developed it in Unix and

9:56 because windows were so clunky. And then finally windows came up with a very stable release and then I moved to Windows. and the ninety Ninety Six Slumber J decided to buy Odysseus software April of

10:11 Ninety Ninety six and got and has held tim ended up in Slumber J and I was I was given the title of VP of Development and Jim went off his way with the salespeople and he was in Heaven because they

10:25 had structure and they he had which market so he was he really loved working there I think Tim started Islam Schlumberger before he went to work for you I Believe I I Dunno the glory he was there for

10:39 a really short stint if I recall correctly was thinking the Wireline Testing Group and then he obviously didn't read the instructions that Yeah they were little early on so after that you know and he

10:53 wanted to buy a house so I could tell us he the ice I built my house in nineteen ninety one this house where where I'm sitting right now can slide right through my house the old house and he was

11:06 looking for a home and I said, Hey, I'll give you a deal. So I gave him a deal on the house and he ended up buying the house. Of course you did, or you saw it the more expensive than the market,

11:19 taking advantage of being his boss.

11:24 Well, please say, so Tim called, we were talking about this the other day, I mean, my dad, and Tim called my dad when after you had presented him this deal for the house and dad's first reaction

11:37 was, obviously this is a scam, right? Please start looking at the numbers. And after a couple of days, he said, you know what, I can't find anything wrong with this deal. It sounds like a

11:48 great price, it sounds like a good deal. And so anyway, that was some perspective from the other side of the family.

11:59 Anyway, so in 2003, I left slumber Jay and then. started this new concept called OBS. I mean, it was like like - One virtual source. Yeah, one virtual source. Like Larry mentioned, he was

12:16 totally different. He was so different than the other two and just didn't know he was gonna catch on. And then at that time, Tim was making a move to go to work for a company called Spotfire. Yes

12:29 Yeah,

12:32 you know, and I, you know, he came to me and he asked me for a license and I said, Hey, Tim, I hit a slumber day so much. And I said, Tim, go for it. So he went, you know, and along with

12:43 another friend who passed away, Richard Reese, they both worked at Spotfire. And they started the oil and gas portion of Spotfire along with, I forgot his name Yeah, so John Denning, I'm doing a

13:03 session later today with that crew.

13:07 Tim was very cognizant of not trying to mix things together too much, like, okay, this is a podcast. It's not an OVS podcast, right? So I think he was more hesitant to bring you guys on, but he

13:21 loved bringing on Laura Dye, Rockin' Adovich. There could be others, but those were, I think, his favorite episodes, right? And like I said, that's just sort of Tim's guarded personality where

13:34 he's like, I can't be like waving the flag for my company, this is not how it aligns.

13:43 Matt, talk to us a little bit. Oh, sorry, go ahead, you can keep going. So, you know, that's how Tim ended up, you know, I used to go to Randall's and that's where I go every day for coffee.

13:52 And I run into Tim and it's, hey Tim, when are you gonna come join us? And then he said, oh, you know, I'm doing so well. hey ty when are you Gonna come join Us on one day you know he decided

14:03 well I'm going to I'm going to entertain the idea so he actually talked to larry and that's how the happiness

14:11 that's awesome really really familiar speaking of family my closure hey you're the youngest of three I believe what was it like growing up with tim as as a big brother early years at the you know he

14:28 was obviously a bit of a talker the

14:35 first and foremost he was my Idol I mean i just absolutely wanted to be liked him and I think Ron would say the same thing we all wanted to do exactly what Tim was doing so with everything we did with

14:49 sports with school with the

14:52 girls and everything else he was always following what Tim did and then that was the total influence for everything we did, basically. So, I mean, I picked up every sport. I think I played, the

15:08 only thing I didn't do was switch it in baseball, but everything else I patterned after Tim. I just could not do the left-handed batting. But, you know, so it was

15:20 a great experience. Just, I'm privileged to have known him and just to have so many stories about him, you know, and just so many memories. I was going through this text today with him, and I

15:35 found some, some buttes back to 2016. And when we first came over here, we went to Paris after about three months, and I sent him a picture of some people playing bocce ball. You know, right

15:49 next to a canal and his picture, I was trying to, you know, just take a perfect picture and he noticed the bocce ball players He said, Now that's something I could go pro in. The truth is that

16:03 that's the type of thing you would have done oh man that's that so great so so did you know Tim and I one of the things that we were very different in terms of our Upbringing I was literally born in

16:15 the house that my parents live in today forty forty two and a half years ago right so I lived in one place it my entire till eighteen years old then I went to college and then I moved out here and I

16:29 got comfortable here right away and I've been here for eighteen and a half years tim moved all over the place as a youngster right I could see how that would be tough in some ways but he's like that

16:39 that was my normal like to talk about that a little bit and you probably had to look to tim to be like hey man I just had to leave some friends this stinks like guide Me You know Yeah so let's See I

16:51 Think we moved it probably we averaged every every two years I would say sometimes it was eighteen months of vendors three years but it ended up averaging about every two years. So

17:03 you had to pick up, move over, make new friends. Sometimes there were some of those friends from two moves ago were at the same base that you went to, which is kind of cool. There's a lot of

17:14 friends that I went to college with that we grew up at Randolph. They were actually at his celebration. One of them, my seven of them was there. So it was always a challenge, or not a challenge,

17:27 but he was really good at it. I think I was okay at it, but he would go above and beyond, meet the neighbors, he'd be down the street talking to everybody, and some about us. And we'd be in the

17:39 front yard getting in trouble, and he'd be adding up the neighbor.

17:44 That's awesome. So when people ask, like, I was asked, like, where are you from? Tim will go, well, hey, well, you know, it buried Tim for, what do you answer when people say where you

17:52 from, Matt? Well, it depends on the -

17:56 It always depends with the Losers man, it always depends. So it depends on who's asking and how agitated I am. It's 'cause I'm a little more different than Tim was. Tim, ahead of time to tell the

18:07 story always. And if I'm in a hurry, I'll just say, from California, whatever. Yeah. We're on off. But if I'm in the mood, I'll sit them down and have a cup of coffee and tell them the story

18:18 of where I was born. I was born over here in

18:23 the UK. And we'll go through that story and finally get to where we are now, you know? But it's kind of fun. But I was surprised that Tim stayed in Houston as long as he did. I come once too,

18:36 honestly. No, I figured he would bolts go to Calgary or somewhere, just like me. 'Cause I feel like I have to move. So every two or three years I get the itch. California was the longest I've

18:49 ever been anywhere. And that was five and a half years

18:53 which is, you know, so, for him to. to plant seeds and you're staying in stayed in the same house and House Yeah Yeah just Crazy to me but but he did Yeah that's good Stuff what We'll get back to

19:09 you Omar with a similar I was was thinking about something so I've got some movie quotes and it was just OBS on a train back from the Beach Today and I want to just randomly shoot them out there and

19:21 see if you Guys can name the movie or finish the sentence name the movie or something to that effect but our start with

19:32 the chair is against the wall

19:37 but nobody nobody come on it's against the wall the chair the way it goes as the chair is against the Wall John has a long mustache the chair is against the Wall John has a shining the shining no no

19:53 no

19:55 that's terrible quotes there's only cook it will come back to that later that Tim throughout and that became our absolute way forward on everything but I dunno that

20:10 wasn't it's it's from he had to think about how the Wolverines Ah

20:22 no no hang on any

20:28 of the war movie with the Kids and they're in Colorado and the the Russians invade not get what I know what it is val but I don't remember the quote you don't match some of US are over here trying to

20:41 take care of our families and the

20:46 mis making fun of Losers' Yeah and that's good stuff what will you have another random read on you Guys know read on All right, speaking of that, so Red Dawn was, it was, you know, classic when

20:60 we were kids and we're probably, I don't know, little late elementary school, he was probably in junior high high school. And then they remade that back in, I want to say, 2012 or something and

21:15 they didn't, they couldn't use the Russians. So they, they use this aging invader coming in, but they wouldn't say who it was They didn't want to offend the Chinese. So they made it to North

21:26 Korean. It was awful. None of it made any sense. How are the North Koreans invading us? You know, that really upset Tim. I remember that.

21:36 Yeah. So, okay, man. I thought, let me throw one back at you here because this quote, a one word quote, right, day one walks into OBS And, of course, I know fairly well because we were in

21:50 slumber day so long, but it comes by, I get in the office early offices first. When he walked past he walks by he's got his diet coke or coke as he always had with him he walked by he goes Doctor

22:04 other than doctor now do you know what that's from that's from Dan Edwards in it he is

22:15 spies like us That's exactly what I replied DOc I said Doctor the stop in his tracks and he looked over he said spies like US I said that's right

22:31 every greedy from that day on every time he walked by every time he gave my office every team's meeting we got on doctor nice and it was good must be thirty thousand times so and people will look at

22:44 US like what what are they doing you know but that was it after that Jose were you a doctor as well note

22:56 You guys said it to you, you just never noticed. Don't you want to introduce Omar first? And then we can talk about it. Yeah. What's good Omar? Let's dive into your history with

23:10 Tim. OK, well, yeah, with Timo Teo. That's how I used to call in just to make fun out of him. So Tim, there's a lot of things with him, because I had the privilege of traveling a lot with him

23:23 because of business, and it was so fun to travel with him. Because, well, you all know Tim much better than me. I'm not a very good salesman, because I'm not very good, you know, getting

23:39 introduced to people and kind of shy, and having Tim next to you would make it much, much easier. Not only with the clients, but everybody I mean, with Tim, we talked with the guy in the hotel

23:53 bar. We talked with the lady that - You know served breakfast Everybody was amazing their ability that the thing had to to make friends. It was I had so much fun with him because of that So that's

24:09 one thing that we always remember about him the whole thing that we had kind of an agreement and Tim was working on improving in Spanish and I'm gonna die trying to improve my English and I'm gonna

24:22 I'm not gonna be able to do it But so we have an agreement that I would help him with his Spanish and he would help me with My English and he was very good for me because of course Every time that we

24:34 finish a meeting or something like that He came back to me and say do you mind if I say a couple of things that you said run in front of the clients I said no, please do so so since that day we had

24:45 that agreement and actually When before the pandemic that we were we were at the offices I'm not gonna say that every day but. At least once a day, once a week, I'm sorry, Tim called me to his

24:59 office and he asked, okay, you need to help me with this crazy thing of Spanish. This doesn't make any sense. How come you have to say things like that? And we spent easily 10, 15, 20 minutes

25:10 talking about not only Spanish, but languages. And that was a nothing

25:17 that I love about Tim, how open-minded he was He was always ready to learn something about something else.

25:28 Every time we traveled, he was asking for the food there, for

25:33 what do you guys do here that is different? What do we need to eat here that is different? We don't want to have same burger that we will have in Houston, stuff like that. So that was marbles.

25:44 Another trip that marked me with Tim was one that we did

25:51 From Houston to San Antonio and from there, we drove all the way to Midland. So you can imagine it was like, I don't know, nine hours in the car with him, so you can imagine how many stories he

26:04 had the chance to tell me. But it

26:08 was, yeah, it was very nice because we talk about everything. And I learned about Texas a lot because of team, all the stories, every every single time we passed by, thing had something to say

26:21 about it. And I have another privilege that was having lunch with Tim and his dad and your dad on our way to to Midland, we had we'd stop at San Antonio and we had lunch with Tim's dad and it was

26:38 such a fun lunch. Because you know, I was all, well, this Tim's dad, I don't know how he's gonna be. And I had a blast with those two guys together. It was he was something else. So well, I

26:52 learned like that because again, No worries, sorry. many, but I know that we need to move to another point. So that's, that's me on team in, in three minutes.

27:04 So Omar, did he, did he ever try the, uh, the quote, uh, Kamo Sufri holy? Yeah, of course. Of course he did.

27:14 Of course What's the, what's the Jose Hose beat?

27:26 That's gone back. Oh, shoot. We did that when we were kids,

27:32 I think, uh, just whenever somebody says Jose is not working or something. Well, let's try Hose B.

27:41 Just not working with Jose. Let me, let me tell you a story about him and how easy he was impressionable. You know, he was so easy to impress. Tim was a salesperson for, in

27:60 this case, PA. In those days, in 1980 when the computer revolution was beginning,

28:08 people were always suggesting you, Can you do this? And

28:14 of course, Tim will come to the office and he says, Hose, come on. This client, I think I can get him if we add this to the program And I said, Well, let me think about it, Tim. And of course,

28:27 you know, in those days, like I said, there was not very much structure. And so, let me think about it. And then the next day I will come and I say, Hey, Tim, I added this option. I say, Oh,

28:37 man, that's so cool. And then he'll go and show the clients and, you know, and sure enough, he'll get the sales. But that's the way it was with Tim. He will always try to feed me things that we

28:50 needed in the software to make a sale. And I will comply to him almost immediately in those days, because it was easy. And you put out a version almost every day with PA, because that's the way it

29:06 was. I would be teaching a class, and somebody would say, hey, can you do this? And I'll stop the class, and I will do it in front of them. And man, I was very impressed. People were very

29:16 impressed with that. And Tim took advantage of that, and he did that quite a bit during the sales of PA and

29:26 OFM. Yeah, I don't say I think that's a great thing about Tim, is we think of him as a talker, because he was so comfortable doing it, but he was a great listener. So he would ask a lot of

29:38 questions. He would ask a lot of questions, and he would just listen. And he would think, and he would ask better questions. And we would come away with there knowing, yeah, this is what we've

29:47 got to do. So I really respect that about him. Great listener It's a huge part of the reason why. I asked him to do this podcast with Me as is I first of all you Guys now how easy it is to just

30:00 talk to tim like Omar was saying you can travel with him for eight or nine hours conversation will never get stale he'll keep bringing up topics whether it's would you eat chocolate covered ants or

30:12 anything with bacon on it is edible right in and it all the way through college you know tell me some stories about at your family where'd your family come from what you mean everything right and and

30:26 when I was going through I'm like you know the thing with him is he's got a lot to share but he did have a genuine curiosity and was a tremendously engaged listener which made him like the perfect

30:38 Podcast Guy because even if you had a plan he's like watch third song hold on now I just heard this and we need to talk about that right and and dive into it and definitely one of the things that I

30:49 loved about spending time with them And then the curiosity too, Omar, like you're saying, trying to,

30:56 you know, when you travel with him, he'll just start asking all these questions. It's like, wow, like, is he just trying to pass the time or does he care? And you realize very quickly, he

31:04 cares. He's just like, wanted to be a sponge for information. Yeah, that's exactly right. Because you normally say, well, this guy's trying to be polite and learning this and that, but no.

31:12 And to that point, I have two stories to talk about them. The first one is completely related with you, talking about food, for example So, of course, we in Venezuela are very well known for the

31:24 Arepas. And he was like, well, it talks so much about those Arepas and has Arepas. When the heck am I gonna have those Arepas? And he pushed me so hard, of course, I had to invite him over to

31:36 have Arepas in my house. Because, and he meant it. He wanted to try the Arepas. He was not only, well, I know that Arepas are there and that's it. I want to try to say, what is it about that?

31:46 And we had to remember Larry and Jose, we were all together having those Arepas. huge upset and then only thing I recall about the trip to meet lamba is kind of funny as well we flew to Midland and

32:01 we have a car reserve the force the airport and when we got there they didn't have any cars and of Course I was like Yup I don't have any problem in my the team team will find a way to solve this

32:14 issue I mean he'll talk with whoever he thinks but will end up with a cop saw saw he was and he was you know chicken with this and that so the lady said well yes we found a car but there's a problem

32:28 cause what what what the problem is it's a bitter Apple swag and bidder so you can imagine these two guys trying to sell something to the whole industry in Midland Texas driving a beetle that's all so

32:44 I'd say well team we have the most vegan below the only thing that is missing is the little flower let's go and try to get it you know that they used power in the middle of it. And we weren't

32:56 visiting all over the clients in Midland, bribing our, you know, it was like, well, what should we do? Should we park it like two blocks away and walk so they don't get to the building in the

33:08 Volkswagen or what to do? It was kind of fun. That too.

33:14 That's perfect. Yeah. No, thank you for sharing that

33:21 Who else wants to chime in with the story? I know you guys have a few of these. So I leave jump on to Mars story there because the travel stuff, I mean, obviously eight years or so, Tim and I

33:33 went around a little bit and we would get connected on a lot of these trips outside the country and

33:42 it's really funny to that. I think that the best summary of Tim, you know, we're going over there to do demos. Of course, I always do the slides. Here's the big Tim does the smart guy stuff,

33:53 jump into the system. And so we're flying in, we're into Dubai. We got a day there, we got a burn before we can get our PCR test to get to Abu Dhabi. This was last fall in November. I think I

34:08 saw some pictures. What's that? I think I saw some pictures of that trip. Ah, I'm sure Tim was documenting as we went, of course, but so we're there in Dubai, we're waiting We got nothing to do

34:20 for whatever, four hours or something. And he goes, well, we gotta think of some, you know, scintillating thing to do. Oh, wait a minute, yeah, I'm great. You know, so he's looking around.

34:29 He's going, okay, I got it. I was like, oh, they seem pretty enthusiastic. I was like, oh, this must be something pretty good. We're gonna figure it out. And he goes in and he goes, yeah,

34:38 there's a supermarket just across this group of us. And I was like, is the fun thing next to the supermarket?

34:48 He says, no, no, no, no. We go in the supermarket and they have all kinds of different fruits and meats and I'm like, okay, we got time to go. Let's head across the street. So we go in there.

35:02 I will guarantee you, he wore those people out with questions. You know, there were aisles of dates and fruits and, you know, he's over there, but he's got a basket. He's just pushing around,

35:13 putting stuff in, I mean, well, I'm just not taking it back, right? We're going to Abu Dhabi and Arma. He's just putting it in the basket so he can kind of think about it and ask questions

35:24 whoever walks by. But effectively, the mission was, hey, I'm taking dates back to my family, so I need to go get a sampling of all the different kinds of dates. And there's a whole aisle of

35:36 dates and the ladies are putting them around. So it was classic Tim, big demos, good meetings, things that actually came out of it and a trip to the supermarket. So something quirky always. Yeah,

35:48 always Yeah. You know, the, uh, i was going to say the the first time I had Indian food was with them and I was always afraid of him and he said there's nothing to be afraid of let's go out and he

36:00 took me and my wife and this must have been before kids because I don't remember the kids being involved but we said that it was a buffet and which I can never go back to an Indian food place without

36:14 being above ages cause because of this experience but he came and we must have had twenty five dishes on the table and he's just pointing to each one and saying what region it's from then why they

36:27 were vegetarians in that area whether and then know which ones ate meat and which meets they could eat and blah Blah Blah and then gave us the history of where the flavors came from and and why they

36:39 tasted this way and it was as the strangest thing but I think of them every time I have Indian food which just the other night I had some sag paneer and I was just wondering where the rest of the food

36:50 was, you know? It's all I had with Sagin' Paneer, it was really sad. Well,

37:02 I think we'll put a pen in it there. I miss him,

37:06 you know, got the text message. I think it was like three weeks ago today. And that sucked, but it's been fun for me, I guess, in some ways to do these sessions, 'cause I know how much

37:21 adoration and love and appreciation for the time that you guys had with him. Speaking for myself, I think I was always more high-strung than him. I think, Matt, you probably dealt with that a

37:32 little bit too. And he was a good kind of counterbalance for me in that he could be like, Hey, all right? You know, like be the adult in the room and kind of calm everybody down. And I find

37:43 myself missing that a little bit right now Just a lovely guy.

37:49 I just, I'm just destroyed over here. But the one thing he told me, when he told me they was going home on hospice, I was just a wreck, just balling. One thing my parents called me back May 12th,

38:05 May 11th, and they said, Hey, we're going back to see Tim. And I said, Oh, shit, all right, I'm coming to then. They had talked to him ahead of time And then two weeks later, fast forward,

38:20 we're in this hospital room. He tells us he's going home on hospice, and I'm just going crazy. Brian, they told me, Do not cry, whatever you do. And I couldn't stop it. And he grabbed my arm

38:35 and said, Man, it's gonna be okay. And that's the type of guy he was, just,

38:43 sorry. Nah, man.

38:47 I mean, I'm jealous that you got so much time with him. Yeah, you're what, about six years younger, something like that. Five. Five, yeah.

38:57 And that's one thing I've been able to reflect on recently. I say that this is like the salt on the wound for me, not to be too heavy, but like, my relationship with him was growing. Like because

39:08 of this and just that time we spent together an hour plus each week understanding each other's quirks

39:15 that we were gonna go to an AM game together, all that stuff and it just rips my fucking heart out. But you know, these sessions just show how powerful his impact was. And I don't know if he'd be

39:29 comfortable with this. He never liked me throwing him roses. You know what I mean? Like I think you probably saw that too, Larry. No, absolutely. And I was just not a style, right? Yeah, no,

39:38 totally humble. You know, it just earned everything. Yep. if he probably wrote I could picture him rolling his eyes alright alright alright then he would be where I'd go for sure alright okay

39:58 Guys thank you Guys so much for coming on Thanksgiving and he really enjoyed despite guest jeremy Jeremy and thanks for what you've done