What The Funk?

0:00 and we're back tripping over the barrel.

0:04 Many of the people listening to this, maybe all of the people listening to this, are keenly aware. Tim Loser, my podcast partner, dear friend, a great human.

0:15 Headpink, riatic cancer, came down with that in April and passed away towards the end of May. A lot of us are here, heartbroken, devastated. It's very much a surreal feeling. But as I thought

0:30 about this podcast and how much it meant to myself and Tim, it's immense. It's immense. Tim recorded a podcast 13 days before he passed away. He told me once he had stage four cancer in late April

0:44 that he wanted to continue doing the podcast, that it was a source of light and positivity for him. And I have just such an amazing amount of respect and admiration that he mustered up the energy

0:54 somehow to still be be able to put out unbelievable content that his family can listen to forever.

1:00 We did 97 episodes of tripping over the barrel. Last one was with Jason Webster. Yeah,

1:07 and what we're gonna do is three episodes where we honor Tim. And this is going to be the first of those. We have Marcia Vihal, who came on, I think two of the first like 10 episodes that we had,

1:21 one of our favorites and a colleague of mine and of Tim's at Energy Navigator, as well as Terry Moskopetis Super great to see Terry's face, looking all set of

1:32 laws like up there in Calgary. But Terry was sort of a jack-of-all-trades executive at Energy Navigator and worked really closely with Tim from sort of the Calgary side and Tim was running the US

1:44 operation. So we wanted to bring everybody here today, kind of honor Tim, talk about the impact that he's had on many of us. But before we do that, why don't you guys give your brief introduction,

1:56 Marcia? People might know you a little bit, But what are you up to and Terry, who are you?

2:02 Terri, I'll let you go first. Oh, I was hoping you'd go first so I could follow.

2:10 Okay, my name is Terri Moskopetis. I

2:14 started an energy navigator in 2004 as the product manager for a navigator. Then I became the client services manager when we hired Demetrio Pagano as the product manager. You may all remember

2:30 Demetrio. Yep And then I became the

2:39 VP of strategy and planning. And part of my goal was always to have someone mentored to come up behind me and Jill Fernandez took over the client services position. She was great. And then I became

2:53 VP finance. And in 2017, the company was sold And in 2018, that was laid off. after thinking about things decided to retire. So now I'm wondering Canadian.

3:12 Yeah, you just you just said before this, you're in Calgary, but you're gonna jump into your RV up in Edmonton and go all the way out to my sort of neck of the woods in Prince Edward Island, which

3:22 sounds like many kilometers away. Man, I think round trips should be around 12, 000 kilometers. Yeah The last time we did this trip, we actually went down into Boston, New York,

3:37 Philadelphia, Chicago. I remember you. That trip. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I am back to Canada. That was an awesome trip, awesome trip. Terry, tell tell us a little bit about when you got to know

3:50 Tim. That was probably when he started a navigator, you were already there for four, five years or something like that And you guys decided let's branch into the -

4:02 United States, no small decision because Navigator had had a lot of success in Calgary, nicely profitable business. But like many businesses do, you saw upside in

4:12 the US. What was it like? Were you on the team that helped hire Tim that brought him on? 'Cause I know you sort of nurtured and supported us in the early days, but talk about kind of the initial

4:21 alignment you had with Tim in the US.

4:25 The first time I met Tim was in Denver Actually, he was working for Spotfire at the time and we were at the Tech Conference. I think that's what it was called. Don't remember these things anymore

4:36 after four years of sipping beer. It was probably the S-P-H-E-A-T-C. That's it, yeah. And so, yeah, we spoke briefly. I got introduced to him by someone. I can't remember who might've been

4:51 Janet from Bly And, yeah, after that, we had a couple of interviews with him, another candidate and it was time to decide on who should join the team. And yeah, Tim was lucky enough to join us.

5:11 And from the first moment, it was like, I like this guy. I really did, he was very personable, easy to get along with, very laid back.

5:25 It was,

5:28 it's hard to describe when you feel that connection with someone right away. It didn't happen for me with Tim. It took a while, but after that happened, it was like, I like this guy.

5:44 And so, you know, things started to move, started to happen in the US. Then had some success. How about you, Marcia, your third time here, maybe not the circumstances we hope for for the third

5:56 time, but nonetheless, great to have you back. Almost two years after when you initially came on. So in that time, I think our company got acquired by Quorum. You've settled in there. It was

6:07 out certain at that point. Now you're over at Quorum. But I want to backtrack early in your career as well. I know you started off at IBM. You were in Boulder, kind of looking for your next move.

6:17 And then how the heck did you come across Tim Loser and Energy Navigator? Yeah, so I had been working for IBM and I got laid off in early 2009, I think. And I had a recruiter that was looking for

6:35 me, looking for opportunities. And I had a lot of project management experience. And she contacted me and said that she had an opportunity. Ideally, they were looking for someone with oil and gas

6:48 experience, which I did not have But I got the - they did the qualification, and I got to go meet Tim in Denver. It was out of Sheridan, actually, I think in like the Denver Tech Center, it was

7:03 probably my first venture to the Denver Tech Center, really.

7:08 And we hit it off right away. You know, it's easy to talk to. We, he has three daughters, right, so we, you know, as a, as a female and having a sister We just really related around things

7:29 that his daughters were up to sports. And so we really bonded over initially and just had good conversation. And I, I think from that point, I then went up to Calgary and had some interviews with

7:44 Terry.

7:47 And I think Jill probably as well So, yeah, it was Dean. You were. Oh, well, yeah, Dean for sure. And you. And I think I had the opportunity to sit in a room, which maybe Jill and Kelly on

8:02 the, they at the side. So Terry really was kind of one of my managers. And I reported to Tim, I was Tim, inevitably, was the first US. hire for energy navigator. And the first project that we

8:18 worked on was implementing the AFU navigator at SM Energy. Yes, so I don't know if I have this correct, but if that was Tim's first management job, you were his first ever hire. Oh, wow, yeah,

8:32 I guess so. Right, and I don't know. Maybe he hired people at Smaffire, but truly is like a senior executive. I think that was his first choice. And he made a good choice. His second hire was a

8:43 little bit different, maybe a little more controversial. And I think shortly after he brought me on, in part because I could see the culture that Tim and the team had established. Just we went to

8:58 the Med one time, and I think maybe Terry was there, maybe Dean. I don't know, but you could just tell there was just a level of sort of that Calgary chill, and Tim did nothing to disturb that,

9:09 right? He made sure that everybody was always comfortable. Was that the time we were at a restaurant in Boulder? Yes. Yes. Yeah, okay. I think we remember that since I had a little too much.

9:22 Well, that can happen. It is 53 Well, I don't know how many kilometers this is, but it's like 5, 300 feet off the ground here. Altitude. But what I thought was fascinating, Marsh, and I'm

9:34 wondering if this happened for you, and then I want to get back to your story a little bit, 'cause I know you had 'em at your wedding. Even though you didn't know 'em that long, you still had 'em

9:41 at your wedding. You're gonna talk about that. But what I found fascinating during the courting process, once Tim decided I was gonna be Dan's replacement, that you and I were gonna kind of be the

9:53 Denver team, the way we were moving forward in 2010. He said, Listen, but before I make you this offer,

10:03 I'd like to speak to your wife. And I go, I don't know, man, she's pretty tired. We have like a two and a half month old kid right now. Like she's a little bit ornery here and there. He's like,

10:14 Look, this is an important decision and it's a decision for your family as well. So I just wanna make sure her questions are answered and that she feels comfortable with this decision as well. And

10:25 I was just so blown away by that 'cause that's never happened before, it's never happened since. It's not something I would ever expect to happen but it established the type of familial culture that

10:36 Tim needed to have if he was in charge, which carried through the rest of our time. I felt like we had good PTO, we had good insurance, he supported us. Another story that I remembered was, I

10:49 wasn't taking a lot of time off because who does? You know, you're in sales, you don't get enough time to take off and I was going out to my sister's wedding. And Tim reached out to the team

10:56 without me on the message like, hey, don't bother Jeremy. He's out till Wednesday. Just little things like that from a management standpoint to

11:05 create an environment where you can have longevity, which you certainly did, Marsha. And I left to go to seven lakes and they just offered me to shake it ahead. The financial packages weren't even

11:19 close. It was a decision that I had to make to leave, but I knew that leaving Tim was gonna suck because he was a good boss. And even though he was pissed at me for going to an emergent competitor,

11:30 he was happy for me because it took care of my family. And when I think back on Tim, that's the only, I got chills thinking about it, but the only manager I've had who could actually put person

11:41 first in business second and at the end of the day, that's why we're all mourning so hard because Tim was about relationships. And that's why this broadcast was great.

11:53 No. It's a real testament to him. I mean, he put his family first and he allowed us to do the same. Yes, yeah. Two stories about him when he first hired me. The first one being, you know, I

12:10 think I was like, go from IBM in April of the interview process, maybe started in end of November. So I think I got an offer early December and he felt bad that, you know, Christmas was coming up.

12:25 I still didn't have a job. The job

12:30 was gonna start on the, you know, first of the year. So he said he would offer me, you know, a signing bonus. It was not, I mean, just a little something because he's just, he was sweet. And

12:42 it was so funny because once I, you know, started and I learned that that was not something that Energy Navigator

12:51 did I actually got in trouble for that. Um, I didn't care, but he knew that was, you know, Tim and also when I had first started, he came out to Denver and he wanted to take out a Nick, my

13:05 husband. So he wanted to make sure that we, he was able to take us to a nice dinner and he got to know Nick a little bit more. And he was always awesome about taking us somewhere to eat that, you

13:20 know, because he had been in sales so much and traveled so much, he knew all the great restaurants and awesome places to go and I forget the name of the place that you took us, but it was delicious.

13:32 Yeah, that's one thing you always were able to do with Tim is go eat well. Yeah, I remember going to Denver and he would, after meetings and stuff, we'd go for a quick one and quick one with him

13:47 wasn't just one

13:50 It was a couple and then there was food involved and then he goes, um. Terry, I'm sorry, I got to leave you. I got to go for dinner with friends and I go, but he says, but I'll take you to

13:59 another place and leave you in good hands there. And I went there and ate an excellent meal. And somehow he knew the people working there. I don't know how he's been on there quite a bit. And yeah,

14:17 when I left, I walked back to the hotel, well, I waddled back to the hotel because I was full You don't try and keep up with Tim when you're eating and drinking. No way. That was hard to do.

14:30 Man,

14:32 I had some really fun trips with Tim. I think one of the things that always stood out to me was his curiosity. I'm Jewish as some of the listeners now and some of you guys now. And Tim was just so

14:46 curious. He had so many questions, but it wasn't just for the sake of conversation. He actually remembered this stuff. I'd been working in Navigator for like, I don't know, nine months. So like

14:57 after the honeymoon period, but I still, you know, want Tim to like me, right? Not, not fire me in room my life. And I played Sunday golf with Daniel Mays guy, which, you know, Marsha

15:06 involves heavy amounts of coffee. We'll call it that and I remember seeing Tim call me at like one 30 the afternoon. I'm like,

15:17 I didn't answer. So I'm like, I'm just going to ignore this. Anyways, he called back at three 30. I'm like, I hope everything's okay He called twice and he's like, oh, could you answer? He's

15:24 like, some are arguing with my dad right now. Which sect is it in Judaism where they have the pay us hair and they don't rip toilet paper? Because he's saying that it's conservative. And I think

15:35 it's worth it. I'm like, no, it's orthodox, Tim. And we talked for 10 minutes just about Judaism, right? But that was Tim, right? I was like, wow, shit. OK, we're not starting from what I

15:44 already told him. He's like, no, I got that, like this part, you know,

15:49 an active listener, a really inquisitive guy, and one of the few Bosses I've ever had who if I saw them calling me on a Sunday, I didn't fear for my job. That

15:60 was rare. I remember when I came in with Bradley do that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember at one time, we were on holidays and PEI and I got a call from Tim. And he was concerned because

16:12 I think it was the day we everybody found out that Dean was being laid off and he was he was pretty concerned and goes, well, my boss just got laid off. But what's what's happening here? And we

16:25 sat down, we chatted, you know, I was on holidays, but, you know, that was, you know, easy to take a call from Tim and chat. Yeah, you

16:36 know, and Marcia, if you look back at the team that he brought together, it really is a lot of high achievers, you know, Autumn's really crushed it. She's been the top salesperson at Ambient,

16:47 which has been a fast growing company. Ryan Mormon has kind of figured out his career path. He's a W on the I've sort of figured out my niche doing some of this podcast stuff and entrepreneurial

16:57 ventures. You've stayed with these acquisitions and worked yourself into a fantastic role. It's cool to see. I mean, I think he really had an eye for talent, but beyond just an eye for talent,

17:09 he had an eye for character. And that's one thing that I really enjoyed with the time we spent as a team, a small team in the US, but a very, very close group

17:22 Yeah, he was,

17:26 I said on LinkedIn, I have a lot of friends for life because of Tim and he did have a specialty in the folks that he hired and the way that we connected with one another, you know, Autumn, Ryan,

17:42 Angela, who, yeah, Trent, Trent, Trevor, and even for it's the, towards the end of his energy navigator days, he had hired Elizabeth Shaw, who I, and I'm still very good friends with now,

17:60 and she's with another company, but he was really great about bringing awesome people to the team that really connected to went and on moved everyone And. together well

18:15 different places I guess I'm the only one that's kind of stuck around with all the mergers and acquisitions and name changes, but I wouldn't be where I'm at today without Tim, no doubt. And it

18:31 seemed like he was supposed to be in this industry. Yeah, he was always there to push you forward. He gave you a chance, right? He gave you

18:40 the keys, and I always thought the two of you, Marcia had a special relationship, 'cause if you think back to Tim's, like. career at SPA fire he was the sales engineer he was the demo Guy right

18:50 so there was sort of like additional pressure on you since that was your thing and you have to be perfect and every once in a while be like oh okay I see what you're doing wrong and give you like very

18:59 good pointers on things to change so I thought I'm sure he helped develop you as a presenter more than anybody else in your career honestly he helped to develop me and many different ways and I know I

19:12 probably scared him a little bit too yeah

19:20 he he started as a private project manager and doing implementations but he allowed me to move and use sales engineering and then I was really pushing to be on the sales side when you were there and

19:34 then you left to sudden lakes so that allowed me to have the opportunity to move into sales director account management role

19:45 he was great about helping me Progress may make career

19:50 and I had some some great mentors along the way like terry no thanks for the mention

19:59 but I think you took care of yourself you you I remember getting feedback from clients saying that you were awesome you know even though you're you are New you are able to handle things and you took

20:12 care of everything and even everyone in the team here in calgary was really impressed with you and to to go to to speak to Thames hiring chops I do think he had a way of I'm not sure how he measured

20:27 this but had a way of understanding somebody's E Q in addition to their I Q Cos Tim was one of those rare people that was probably mensa level Genius just as far as like what he can figure out in his

20:39 brain but also like sympathetic compassionate creative all those sorts of things and and and very comfortable in social impacts which is rare for someone that has an IQ as high as he does. So I think

20:50 he was realized, like, okay, well, not everybody is going to be that smarter here, but like, where's their special skill? And I'll never forget Tim writing in an email. I forget who it was to.

20:58 I think Jeff Jacobson, where he said, Hey, I want to introduce you to Jeremy, he's got a great personality. And I was like, man, that is like such a compliment from this guy. I guess, sure,

21:09 I'll accept that. But when he said that, it's like, man, okay, because like, Tim is not wasn't huge with the compliments. But if you said that, it's like, I like this guy, you know.

21:20 And to bring it back, she's as teary to

21:25 bring it back to the podcast piece. I probably won't have as much of an opportunity to talk on these sessions since the other ones are bigger and people that he worked with many years ago, so

21:37 probably a little more story centric But

21:42 on the podcast side of things. When I started talking and early twenty Twenty Martial I'll Never Forget when I told You Marcia Guess what Tim and I are starting a podcast no you're not and then I

21:54 explained the concept to you go I'm going to listen to every episode

21:59 and I basically reached out to tim the digital cutters guys have been saying come on like do a podcast we want to be the Barstool sports of energy put out more content and I'm like I Dunno What I'm

22:09 Gonna Talk about I won't do this by Myself Intimate I as we did were just shooting the shit one day this is early encoded and Tim telling me a story about how he wanted to write a coffee table book

22:20 about all of his like mishaps and silly stories and travel and business and meetings and things on the road some physical comedy write some just head -scratching stuff and and like write a book and

22:33 and be like the thing that he left behind I said you know I want to start a podcast you're really easy to talk to Tim I think this is your thing and this is very classic tim right he goes

22:45 I'm Gonna have to talk to current about this victim it's a podcast is fine everybody does a podcast that's what men do give me a couple of days back it all came about Yeah so he comes back and he goes

22:58 alright I talked gone

23:03 we're going to do it cause tim doesn't do anything with half measures right if he was going to do it he was going to do it like we did it and put out an episode every week and that's what we did but

23:14 he committed to it and we started off and we weren't great to begin with very scripted and I think both of US were trying to find our voice and our confidence but didn't take long if you listen to I

23:23 think the Patrick reddy episode and we turned a corner and I think you could see the obvious chemistry that Tim and I had but I credit him more with Acts I think he just has that General chemistry

23:34 with with everybody and was a great outlet for him I'm so Glad that he decided to to opt in and do this and I think it was a really a positive for him And also just another Tim tidbit as it relates to

23:48 digital wildcatters. Like if you think of the makeup of digital wildcatters, it's for sure not people like Tim, right? It's these like 28 year old bros with their hats on backwards and putting out

23:58 memes and content and talking about Bitcoin. And Tim would just walk into that office to do whatever he needed to do and just be treated with unwavering respect and be incredibly comfortable in the

24:10 situation. That's just Tim, right? So this is a tremendous loss for that community as well because this is the second podcast they ever did and one that we continue to do it all the time. And Tim

24:22 never caused any drama because that's what Tim was like versus everybody else feels like there's some sort of talented podcaster and they need to be coddled and treated like Joe Rogan or something.

24:33 So anyways, I'm sort of, I'm sort of going here but I wanted to say that. He was excellent at it He's always good at leading conversation and he's a great storyteller.

24:46 Yeah you always have a story and and like you said earlier he was always interested in certain things and he was always you know You'd always get these little tidbits from him you know about different

24:58 customs are different countries and I remember one the first time he came to our house and

25:07 I always felt bad because you guys were coming up from from the states up here and sitting in a hotel and people come over that happen young you come to the office and then you Jan the day was done

25:19 and everybody went home and you Guys were left alone and also I said to tim come on over and he came over and he walked in and I introduced him to Sandra and we had dinner that night and then she

25:33 laughed at or he laughed and then I asked Sandra so what did you think he didn't take his shoes off

25:41 in your house that I'd pirate Yes I remember this desolate You know, that's a Canadian thing, right? You take your shoes off in the house. And later I said to Tim, I, you know,

25:53 Santa wasn't happy. He goes, oh my God, I forgot about that. That's a Canadian thing. We don't do that at home in Houston. He says, we're happy we can track and mud into the house and stuff.

26:04 So he apologized later and I said, you know, I said, Sandra, they don't do that. And she got the, you know, she understood and it was fine. But, you know, that was her first introduction to

26:14 Tim And after that, you know, she was pretty happy to see him. It was lots of hugs that every time she saw him. And one time he brought the kids up here,

26:23 I think it was spring break. Man, we had a ton of snow here in the house in the yard. And so we went and met them up at Boston Pizza up by our place and brought them over to the house and had a

26:36 snowball fight in our front yard. Kids loved it. Oh, wow, you don't get that Houston. Now, probably not And if you do, it's probably a - Um, a big event, exactly. That makes me think of a,

26:52 maybe our, it was our first year to celebrate energy navigator in the U S and Tim flew, everyone and their family is to San Antonio. Nice. We, for the, for the weekend and that's when I got the

27:06 opportunity to meet his girls and Karen and

27:13 it was a special time I have a lot of, I was thinking back, I've, I tried a lot of first trips with him. Oh, yeah. My first trip to San Antonio had never been there before. There was the

27:23 infamous trip

27:32 to Artisia, New Mexico, which we've talked about before, another podcast, Bakersfield. Bakersfield. He took me to that, that, that field and Bakersfield with the thousands of I'll never forget

27:41 that at the time I was wondering you know where is he taking me and this is taking forever but such a memorable moment and there's there's definitely more that I can't think of right now but Yeah I

27:56 mean Pittsburgh for sure San Antonio Bakersfield and he would also just do cool shit remember we had that weekend like the Christmas Holiday Party here cause like Ellie was pregnant my wife Marcia you

28:11 know it's like alright come on we get the pregnant ladies up here why don't you just come and do it boulder but Tim was always like sure I always said this to tim even just a few weeks ago I always

28:23 thought that there was a part of him that wanted to be like living in the mountains driving a jeep with the Goatee snow on his hair you'd have me living living that life and but he just sort of ended

28:36 up in Houston It probably speaks to the fact that Tim was just sort of comfortable everywhere I'd lived everywhere when he was younger right so I wondered when or if he was comfortable coming up here

28:46 for the Christmas Parties when it was Minus Forty Yeah I wasn't saying that and you know what I always loved it when you guys came up with the Christmas Party and was cold and it just young people

28:58 need to experience that at least once in their life it is all a lot of good times up in Calgary Lot a lot I gave her master Yeah and you are introduced to Caesars for the first time at Caesar's that's

29:16 a good One Yeah eg regret over says delicious cocktails

29:23 Yeah it's it's The Upscale Bloody Mary

29:28 Now You're My ADS I Remember one time we were in Houston and this was my first My First Time Golfing down in Houston

29:38 I remember going to the yard seeing the water traps in the end the signs are saying don't fetch your ball because there's alligators in the in the water traps or the good d I'm going like that's

29:50 pretty crazy and one time I think you were there Marsha and we were T I was Teeing off and I was there too are you there to involve a ball that didn't go very far while it was awesome design the flu

30:11 but then I was sitting there concentrating on on My Drive and I just took the backswing and behind me tim gets into a bowling stance and grabs he takes his his tracks keys and throws them at my ball

30:25 to trying the ball off the Tee Before I he hit it and as I come Down I hear a smack and his key fob exploded his keys when everywhere. I'll never go searching for his keys so that we could get home.

30:43 Luckily, we found the truck key. That was

30:48 incredible. I got it. I'm going to throw it. I'm going to throw it. And he takes it and you had a good swing. I'm not saying that your swing was great all day, but on that one, you really made

30:57 solid contact. And I'm like, oh, solid contact with the keys and the key fob Yeah, it felt good. It was the wrong thing I hit

31:07 everywhere. And Tim said, after we found his truck key, he says, I kind of have a feeling I know what Karen's going to say about this. And we got home and she said, you dumbass or something like

31:19 that. And he goes, I thought it would have been idiot. But close enough.

31:25 That reminds me of another first time. And that was my first time ever to have Topgolf, which we didn't have here in Colorado. So we went to one in Houston. I don't know, Jeremy, Maybe you

31:36 weren't with us that I think it was going, but it was funny because autumn brought Greg's brand new driver. I don't know why,

31:46 but she, was she left talk off without the head of Greg's driver. No. Oh my God. Yeah. I generally don't bring my good clubs to talk.

31:58 Lots of fond memories. Yeah. I mean, now, now I'm thinking to my first time and Tulsa was, was also with him He just, oh, you never been to Tulsa. All right, let's, let's get a trip going

32:08 there. I'll show you, I'll show you around, but he would always, he'd always make it fun. He'd always have some business sprinkled in and he'd always connect with everybody. Right. So you felt

32:16 fulfilled, um, kind of after all of the, the trips that we. Oh, yeah. You felt filled all right. After.

32:23 Yeah. Go out for food and drinks. And it was, it was a good time. And I, I love when he would come up here too And we would end up going out again, feeling bad for him. 'cause he's all by

32:36 himself. But he knew so many people even up here. He don't mind it. I mean, he had his quirks. Like, I remember sometimes we'd be in Denver. We'd have like a fairly busy afternoon. I'm like,

32:46 what are you doing? I'm gonna watch a movie and just order room service. Like he would do stuff like that too. Didn't mind taking the alone time. I think he just traveled so much in his career

32:55 that he was able to like just make it sort of second nature. Yeah. Yeah. Any other Tim stories guys before we sign off on this one? Oh gosh, so many. Yeah, so many. Yeah, I remember one time

33:09 he came here and he looked at my front lawn and he goes, It's green. And he said, Do you mind? I go, Yeah, go ahead. And he laid down on the grass and just did, you know, like. No, you

33:25 didn't. Yeah. And he goes, It is so soft and so nice. And it's like, we don't get this in use and everything's brown and crunchy. so he liked that Yeah I I also remember when I first started

33:40 part of the comfort that he built was he literally took me to best buy in Broomfield Colorado to buy all my stuff right you need a keyboard you need this then he'd like walk down the Aisles with Me as

33:50 if I was just in College you know starting and and go on the first day and just made it feel comfortable right like make sure you get what you need right like this this is Gonna work in an optimal way

34:02 take the weekends off just you know work work hard for me cause that's what I expect right and just learned an amazing amount of things working for him and I think that's what I wanted to capture and

34:15 and with him in this particular episode so Timo

34:20 Thank you so much for coming on the senior Guys again I Miss Y'all Guys here and we had a good run and Yeah and it's sorry it's been a bit hard hearing about him Yeah

34:38 but it's the greatest loss I've ever experienced in my life personally and I AM still having a hard time coming to grips with it and maybe it was helpful for me that I saw him in a near end of life

34:52 state which was incredibly hard to accept but it made it real Jew I didn't want to believe that it was real and and you know you hate to say it it sounds trite but but I think he was in pain physical

35:05 pain at the end and that he is in some peace what he leaves behind though is is enormous and that was made very clear to celebration of life and will continue to be made clear as we go on so I mean

35:18 there's there's no right way to to feel and believe me we're all feeling a terry I got it

35:24 I'm going to hold onto my last memory of spending time with him and that was a sweet whatever conference was in denver he ran there jeremy We all went out when I we had dinner and drinks dollars go to

35:43 always was oh we didn't go to L as we went to Koch we went to union station and then we went to another restaurant for dinner and then the next day we went to the exhibits and then we went to of

35:57 course on my request somewhere where we could have margaritas and as he was headed to the airport that evening and we had one more Margarita together and I'm I'M glad that we had the opportunity to

36:11 connect because I didn't get to see him that much anymore after we went different ways you know but he treated the same which is all solid so always always could never leave him without a smile on my

36:26 face

36:29 surplus