What The Funk?

0:00 We're back on what the funk and I've got my guy, another Denver guy, Jason Reed. How you doing, Jason? Doing well. How are you? I'm doing well. It's been, man, a pretty, a pretty hectic few

0:14 weeks. Let me see. Since I last recorded a podcast, I got sick. Like, Oh, it was, it was awful. The stomach bug just ripped through my house. I lost 12 pounds. Hopefully I look good, you

0:28 know, you look at me Thanks, that's not, that's not the way I would recommend losing weight quickly. It's, um, sitting on the porcelain throne for, for five days on end. So I got sick. But

0:40 the whole thing. Oh, yeah, man, I got three kids and they're young. So they, they come back with something and this one just lingered. It was, it was terrible. So kind of, yeah, thanks,

0:51 kind of took me out for a few days and then finally got back to full health and last Friday, I headed. to London, we kicked off a new client that's over there, progressive TSL, met these guys at

1:02 NAIP, they're kind of breaking into the United States with their software products. So it went over there to kick off that engagement by first time in London, which was super cool. But what was

1:15 hard for me, right? I'm not like the biggest world traveler. I'd never been to Europe before, actually before that, was 9 am. when they go into the office in London is 2 am. here So there's an

1:27 adjustment, of course. Everybody's hustle and bustle up an atom, drinking coffee. They want to show me demos, meet the team. I'm like, OK, I'm just waking up. And then you go through your

1:38 whole workday, you finish up at whatever, 6, 6, 30 over there. And over here, that's like 11 o'clock. So I'm getting hammered with emails, and my phone starting to ring. Didn't do a good job

1:49 of picking one region So kind of work nonstop Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I was supposed to come back on Thursday, but I called my wife and I'm like, and I just worked over here a ton. I think

2:04 I'm gonna go to Paris for a couple of days. So that was awesome. I took the, you know, the channel or whatever, the train from London to Paris, spent two days in Paris, didn't really open up my

2:17 computer, went to the Louvre, saw the Mona Lisa, Eiffel Tower, all the Olympics prep that's going on for Paris this summer. That was a blast So I felt like I got a little bit of, like, tourist

2:28 time, personal time. And as you know, with young kids, like, it's hard to get that, right? I mean, typically the vacations are more like trips. So I got to put everything down, you know,

2:39 really see Paris for a couple of days and then flew back the last Saturday. So it's been a bit of a whirlwind, but anyways, that's my story, I'm back. So you will get, 'cause vacations with kids

2:52 and younger kids won 117 now, it doesn't guess count, The other one's almost 10.

2:58 in the day, right? So I totally get it and if you're on your own, no fam. I don't think I had a trip like that in like 15 years. Like if I travel solo, it's for work, right? So then I did my

3:10 work and I'm like, well, wait a second. I'm sitting here in a hotel room in London. Like let me just look at this. Amazing the public transportation that's available out there, just taking

3:20 trains all over the place, taking subways, it costs like two bucks to ride on the subway in London for the whole day. Yeah. Got to see a lot, man. It was cool and then of course I come back here,

3:32 I get to the airport and I take a100 Uber. I'm like, man, we don't have it figured out over here. Like they do over there. I need to take - I saw a

3:41 post on, I think it was LinkedIn actually, just recently where it has two maps comparing United States to Europe and it shows the rail lines, essentially. I'm saying that They're rail lines and

3:51 there's so many rail lines in Europe. It looks like a solid color and the US has what? Yeah, yeah, we got a long ways to go. Yeah, it's it's backwards a little bit. And then I'll also like the

4:04 vehicles are just smaller over there too. Like the roads are a little bit tighter. Vehicles are smaller. You get back here. Everyone's got huge SUVs driving 85 miles an hour on the highway. So

4:14 it's cool. But, you know, of course now I've got the bug. I want to go back. It's unfortunate that, you know, I have to work so I can't just travel all the time. But now I'm like, what am I

4:23 doing? I'm running this company I got this podcast. Why can't I just like roam the, the countryside of like Italy and France and do that, you know? If you have good Wi-Fi or, you know, cyber

4:36 data, make it happen, man. You know, why not? I mean, I do run my own thing. So it crosses my mind a little bit, but I think the key to the boss at home. And yeah, yeah, no, no doubt. He

4:48 was decent. Yeah. Well, Jason Reed, man, awesome to have you on. Sorry to interject with all my story, but it's been kind of It was awesome. different past few weeks for me. But you know,

5:00 the question that I ask everybody that comes on this podcast and you know, I was gonna hit you with it is who are you man? Who's Jason Reed? Who am I? So I like to be concise in like pretty much

5:15 anything I do. Got it. Like when I talk to my kids and my wife like to be concise, when I don't work, I like to be concise. So I would say, you know, probably one of the standard answers,

5:23 father, husband, I'm gonna add in oil and gas nerd, I suppose. Nice. 'Cause I love this stuff at the end of the day. You know, the

5:33 overall industry as a whole, the technical nature of it basically, you know, working with really awesome people overall. So I would say oil and gas nerd, 'cause it fits the sort of third bullet

5:43 there. Oil and gas nerd. And I wanna get through like your whole journey, right? I mean, I think you and I bonded a little bit over the fact that you went to business school in New Hampshire.

5:56 is a little bit different. I always love when I met another person who spent time in the grandest day, what me, you and Patrick Ruddy, that's basically it. But me, you and Patrick Ruddy,

6:06 although Patrick moved away from Denver. So when you, I think when you reached out to me, like, oh my gosh, there's an old-end gas guy in Denver with the Hampshire ties. Yeah, it was me, you

6:14 and Patrick Ruddy, now it's just me and you, I think. And unless we can start a club here, if someone watches this and has new Hampshire ties, an old-end gas, raise your hand, we'll start a

6:21 little club, make it three again Ruddy claims that there's one other person. I'm not totally sure who that is. But anyways, I will find him. Okay,

6:31 we got it. He's in Scotland and you guys work together and various briefly, but we'll get into all that. So I believe you grew up in West Virginia, right? Give me your story. Correct. West

6:42 Virginia School, like tell me everything. Yes. How are you Jason Reed? Yeah, born and raised in Parvisburg, West Virginia And then the sort of comment there is perhaps the a birthplace of

6:55 commercial oil and gas industry. Really? You can debate the people in Pennsylvania with the Drake well, and there's some evidence. And again, this is probably a separate podcast we could do on

7:05 the origins of oil and gas industry. But folks in my neck of the woods where I grew up and just outside, a lot of the area where they're doing a lot of drilling from Marcellus. If you look at the

7:16 burning springs, Anaconda, if you look up the Rathbone well, a lot of that stuff, some claim there's evidence that the drake well used some of the oil produced for their machinery to drill their

7:27 well, essentially, which I think is hilarious. So anyway, so separate pockets. The Parviesburg, West Virginia, maybe the birthplace of commercial and gas just doesn't get much hype, obviously,

7:37 because the drake well takes all the steam out of it. Yeah, they get all the credit. They get all the credit, yeah, yeah. Born and raised in Parviesburg.

7:46 Went to school and at Marshall University Huntington West Virginia State. Stay basically. It's interesting, I was on this as old 17-year-olds, my 17-year-olds going through it right now, it's

7:58 like, you know, we ask ourselves the question back then, you know, what do I want to be when I grow up? We're asking our son, you know, what kind of problems we want to solve, we sort of

8:07 change thevernacular, so maybe he thinks about it differently, basically. I like that. But yeah, I, Jeremy, I would have down to like three things, essentially, and all three scientific

8:17 centric, if you will So it was either physics, physicists, geologists, or dentists. I mean, there's a disparate sort of group of professions there, for sure. I actually went in as a declared

8:32 major in physics, and I'll never forget this, I remember it like yesterday. So the first day of class, my freshman year, in the very first class of my freshman year at Marshall University, I go

8:44 into this 9 am. lecture on physical geology, And Ron Martino, Professor Martino, I think, just retired. given this lecture, intro lecture, we're all just like freaked out, we're in college

8:56 for the first time kind of thing. And it knocked my socks off. I literally left that 50-minute lecture and I went to the college of science and I changed my major immediately to geology.

9:10 And I had not heard some of these concepts before, I had not thought about these things, like peak my curiosity, though, and essentially. So, when graduating Marshall, because I honestly had,

9:23 I didn't know enough about how birth processes work in earth materials in the whole nine yards essentially works. That's why I went to grad school, because I'm still curious. I'm like, I've got a

9:30 lot more to learn. So I went to grad school at Virginia Tech, focused on soft rocks, inventory of geology, sandstones, and things basically. And then sort of, that's what I got connected with

9:42 the only gas industry is sort of midway, I guess into my tenure at Evergreen Attack doing graduate work. And I did an internship with BP. And this is another light bulb moment in my life, I guess.

9:55 And doing the internship at BP, what I realized was exposed to this oil and gas industry, energy industry, essentially. And thinking deeply about it in this ideological, as I probably still am

10:09 and was at the time, essentially is like, well, this is a big deal. The energy industry is a big deal. It's truly the backbone of modern society I mean, if you take away hydrocarbons, in this

10:20 case, essentially, the world goes dark. Pretty much everything, essentially. So having that realization, like, this is really profound. I want to support something profound during my lifetime

10:30 and my career. And then the realization also that, wait a second, this industry could use the skills I'm learning as a geoscientist. It's a win-win is the way I looked at it, basically So I get

10:45 to go do really cool, technical stuff with really, really smart people problems. It also helps the industry that is the backbone of modern society. I'm like, Sign me up. So at that moment, I

10:57 knew I wanted to go to the industry route versus say more of the academic route because I could be an applied scientist working with engineers and other really smart people, which is really cool. So

11:07 that's how I ended up in the industry, basically, is after that internship, realizing, Wow, this is amazing stuff. Oh, this is cool. I didn't know all this about you. I've thought of you as

11:17 an academic, right? Because if you just look at your LinkedIn profile, there's lots of different. Lots of university logos. And obviously, you've been like a driven professional throughout your

11:21 career. But I want to go back to. I love that. You're your first class, right? You sit through a class effectively on Ross and you decide, Yeah, this is what I want to do. Like,

11:41 good for you at that age, because when I was 18, I feel like I left my first class and went to like my fraternity house and just found the nearest keg. So, sounds like you had a little bit more of

11:52 a plan, at least to be a professional, and then kind of rode that wave. So, good for you, man. Where did that drive come from? I don't know, I mean, it's side note there's, there may have

12:03 been a kegid too. Between classes here and there, basically, just throwing that out there. So, I was a college student, basically. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I think the interest in general

12:15 in just science, I love sitting back, like, one of my sort of quasi hobbies now is, it always has been, actually, is like, cosmology in the universe, and big things, and big numbers, and

12:26 infinite things, and all that kind of stuff. 'Cause it really stretches our mind. And that's always a fun thing to do, literally just sit back and think, or have a conversation with someone, or

12:34 read an article, or listen to a podcast, or read a book about this kind of stuff. I've always been very, very fascinated by that kind of thing. So, it's the scientific pursuit, and I've loved

12:43 the earth science so much. And again, it's a bit selfish saying, Hey, I can do really cool earth science. Applied Earth science for a career and then support this great industry, essentially.

12:54 So I felt like it's a win-win-win all across the board, essentially. So I think the love of science and math and things like that was what really kept me going. And yeah, very very motivated to

13:06 continue to learn more. I couldn't get enough information, basically. Yeah, and it's sort of like, at least as it relates in my mind to earth sciences and oil and gas, there's always something

13:16 more to learn, right? Like even the concept of geothermal or hydrogen, Yes. CCUS is now like really hot. And those are terms that nobody even really talked about for the first, I don't know,

13:32 dozen years of my career in oil and gas. And now all of a sudden, these are like really hot topics. Now you have more things to do research on and more things to learn as we evolve into this kind

13:40 of energy addition phase. Beyond just, we're going to need as much hydrocarbons right? But then what are the other sources that we can extract based on methods that we've already mastered. So, uh,

13:55 super cool. So, okay. So you, you were, you finished up a Virginia tech. You had this internship with BP. Did you then go full time with BP? Like what happened to that? You're probably early.

14:04 No, no. After sort of, yeah. And here goes back to the New Hampshire connection. And then I'll connect New Hampshire, the grand state with geothermal air in a second, probably two, is, you

14:16 know, I realized during that internship, into the day you're in business, right? And I knew I wanted to be in this industry. I just knew I knew for a fact. I mean, this is this is my career

14:26 path, essentially. So I'm like, you know what? I know the subsurface pretty well, I could, you know, from an academic standpoint, you learn a lot still on the job, obviously. But I don't

14:37 know much about business. So I feel like I need to have at least some sort of lens or skill set around the business side of things if I'm going into potentially a very large business, you know,

14:46 like BP's. actually were ended up starting, basically. So I wanted a very fundamental business perspective. So I shot around across the United States for programs, essentially. And the reason I

14:59 landed at UNH is because their full time program could be done relatively quickly and like 18 months ish or so, and I'd already been in school for nine years. So, you know, I was realizing after

15:11 23rd grade, I got to go get a job. You could have just been a dentist if you wanted to go to school that much. That's right. I could have done the dental thing basically. Let's talk about that.

15:19 So, so I found UNH and it was a very small full-time class size on site. And that's exactly what I needed essentially. And they offered a very pure, what I would call pure, fundamental curriculum.

15:32 And I needed the basics essentially. Coming out of, again, doing research for, you know, a PhD basically, you know, you're almost on your own. You're maybe working in small teams or with your

15:41 advisor into this other world, which is culture shock, into the business world where. It's teams, you're doing everything together. There was an adjustment there, but then it helped me realize

15:51 that when I take my next step to the first job, if you will, that's the way it works. And so it was a nice transition. So yeah, you know, the UNH, small class size, it was onsite, and now you

16:03 get it done relatively quickly the into going set skill that needed I like felt I, 'cause so And. basically, career path that she has essentially. Yeah, so you were dangerous at that point,

16:05 right? So you had the science piece and

16:15 then logically said, Hey, I want to learn about the business side of this. Did you live in Durham, Portsmouth, like that area? Where did you stay when you went to school? New market. New

16:28 market? New market, loved it. Yep, just down from the old church. Yep,

16:35 so then I would ride the Wildcat bus up the Durham, but I had friends in Portsmouth. We haven't had the Portsmouth all the time, it's such a wonderful town.

16:44 It's my favorite small town in the US. It's way up there, and I'll say this too, right? So I'm from Plymouth, New Hampshire, and nobody really, you know Plymouth. Some people, the Plymouth

16:54 State, you know. When I say Plymouth, people think Portsmouth. And I'm like, oh no, no, no, no. Portsmouth's like hoity toity, man. Portsmouth is all those fancy boys that we'd beat up in

17:06 football and stuff like that. But no, Portsmouth is incredible. I have some really distinct memories of riding down there, even checking out UNH and field trips and things like that. Portsmouth

17:19 is amazing. So every once in a while, I still get this bug. I live in the West. I've lived out here for 20 years. I'm not moving back. Would I do check out real estate in Portsmouth every once

17:30 in a while? I'll tell you what, I shut that shit down real quick because it's the same price as Boulder. Dude, Portsmouth is so expensive. People, the secret's out. People want to live in

17:40 Portsmouth When I was, even when I was. there all the time, you know, 20 years or whatever was essentially all the locals complained because they kept getting named to the top places live magazine.

17:50 So they get public all over the country or world and it's just driving property prices up. So you're, you're basically seeing that because it's, because it is wonderful. And now that now the

17:58 secret is how this is what happens. You can, you can commute to Boston. You could commute to Portland. There's something like 135 breweries within like 35 miles in either direction From Portsmouth,

18:14 there's awesome restaurants. You got the seafood, right? Cause you've got the coast right there and in New Hampshire, not a lot of people know this, no sales tax, no state income tax. So it's,

18:26 it's a, like a little bit of a, I don't want to say hidden junk. Cause it's not hidden, but it is an absolute jam in this country. So I'm glad you got to spend some time there. And I think you

18:37 actually go back a little bit too. Cause you've got a little place in Maine that you head back to, right? Yeah. We have a short terminal in Maine.

18:44 Occasionally we'll dip our toe into Hampshire, but most of the time we've had it for a couple of years. It's another fun, maybe podcast story. It's like, it's a place my wife's dad had many,

18:54 many years ago that disappeared and she loved it as a kid, essentially. It randomly, 30 years later, popped up on our radar. Randomly, it was really bizarre. I don't know if I told you the

19:03 story before, but anyway, so we had no choice but to pounce on it. That's cool. And then give our boys sort of the life she had growing up every summer at the camp, as they're called in New

19:15 England, which

19:17 is for anyone who watches this, is just basically a cabin or a house or something on a lake in New England that they're called camps. I didn't know what they were. And now I've finally got an habit

19:27 of calling a camp, not just like the little house.

19:31 So yeah, no, yeah. So we have that. So we still have a connection up there 'cause the wife's family is still mostly a thing. So we get to go in this time. If that takes up a lot of my time,

19:40 there's a sump up out or the - The wall's leaking, or my gosh, like unbelievable. It's hard being 2, 000 miles away dealing with that kind of stuff, but it is what it is. You know, it's a very

19:49 special place to the family. Yeah, did you meet your wife at UNH? Is that how that happened? Oh yeah, this is a good one. Matchcom. Really? And long ago, it was practically on Netscape. So.

20:07 Dial up. There was only two, wow, really, getting out here on this podcast right now. So there were two dating sites back then. There was eHarmony and Matchcom. And then when I drew, you draw

20:21 a radius of like people that you wanna come into your vision and profile, whatever, basically. So I made sure I lived in, you know, right outside of Portsmouth Durham, Newmarket. I drew a

20:32 radius large enough to capture Boston and Portland. Yeah. You know, two main population centers in that part of the world, she was in Portland. So, and you met some people eventually and there

20:44 you go. So, that's nothing to go there. That's now, I love that. Yeah, the dating scene was much different back then, for sure. Now it seems like, you know, all of my single friends,

20:55 whether they're 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, even, there's like something catered toward all of them, right? Like depending on what you're looking for. Like you said, back then, there were just

21:08 a couple And you're going through sort of all the options. So you got a little bit lucky. I think that worked out well for you. Yeah. I mean, even then, though, I would say those websites were

21:20 really ticking up in user count basically, which kind of helped again. They got to be on there to beat them, essentially. And so, yeah, you have several dates and things. And wow, yeah, she

21:30 grabbed my attention significantly, obviously. So anyway, we had our first date in Portland, yes. So you finish up at UNH, right? you find your girlfriend who becomes your wife then? done one.

21:42 Correct. And then we, this is another funny story. Take a job at BP. Yeah. And so we're gonna go to Houston together. She's gonna leave me and we're gonna go to Houston together and I'll never

21:55 forget this is so wild and you get this haven't been in Houston and anyone in Houston understands this. So imagine June, we're gonna go down for an apartment hunting trip, essentially together.

22:06 She's never been to Texas before. She's never been in Houston. And this is the middle early June I can't remember somewhere in there, basically. So we land, I think it hobby with Southwest and

22:17 they open up their plant door and whoosh. Here comes the hot air for the manger. For the manger, basically, she's like, what the heck?

22:27 She described it funny, right when we got off the plane, she says, it feels like there's a hair dryer on my lid. Yeah. So we must have really loved each other 'cause she moved to move to Texas

22:35 with me. We had our first child there, basically And she got to experience the. intense heat in the summertime, which is quite a contrast for me at that time of year, obviously. Couldn't have

22:47 picked a worst time of year. You know what I mean? It could have been when you're driving in the slushy icy roads in January. Houston wouldn't be that bad then, but you took her out of Maine in

22:55 June. Yeah. You got a keeper, man. Yeah. So BP, what was your job at BP? Where was the office? Like where did you settle in when you got to Houston? Yeah. So BP is in Westlake They're

23:10 Westlake campus, which is the old Emiko campus. So it's, you know, not long after they acquired Emiko, essentially. I started on the in the Deepwater Gulf of Mexico, the exploration team called

23:18 the mega regional team, essentially. And it was a special team stood up. And I was the only, you know, newbie on the team, basically. So I got to learn some really senior, smart people, which

23:28 is awesome. You know, the exploration common process at BP and common risk segment mapping in the whole nine yards. So I started there in the deep water, and then I transitioned over to which

23:39 would have been the North American gas unit, the Gulf of Orange, you know, back then, into warm-sutter in the Great Agreement over base. I had interest in working in natural gas, and this is a

23:47 natural gas, you know, focused asset, essentially tight, unconventional as the world was changing and people were focusing on on conventions like, I want to try some of that too, basically.

23:56 Yeah, went over to warm-sutter and then worked warm-sutter for a while, too. Yeah, you know, I don't know that base and well, but I've heard about it because of the Crowheart guys. Yeah. They

24:07 operate out there It sounds to me like warm-sutter is, it's really painful to operate in the winter. Like it really kind of shuts down, actually, for lack of a better term. So that's quite a

24:22 contrast. You're looking at Deepwater Gulf of Mexico and then you're going up to warm-sutter. So you gained like a pretty good amount of diversity within the same space, of course, at the same

24:33 company, but you couldn't really pick two more different You start entities within the same company. In the beauty of that is, it was in a short period of time, and that was sort of the program

24:44 that beat people at their new hires through, which is essentially, and to interact with different types of folks as you work these assets and develop ideas and such, and that wonderful program.

24:56 I'm so glad I was able to see so much diversity, essentially. And I did one other small stint before I left, but I got to see something else altogether. And so there were three things within a

25:04 short amount of time that I was exposed to that I really cherish this day, having that kind of diversity. It's huge, especially earlier on in your career. You know, I never really had that. I've

25:15 never worked for a big company. So I sort of felt like the professional training component was more just trial by fire. At a smaller company, you just sort of have to figure it out. At a big

25:25 company like that, you know, it's more programmatic. And I do think that there's really beneficial for you. It probably introduced you also to red tape and some things that maybe weren't as fun.

25:37 No, but nonetheless, you learned a lot. So what next? How long did you stay at BP and did you leave Houston? Like what, where did this happen? Yeah, this is another funny story. My wife's

25:48 involved again. So two and a half, three years or so, I was at BP basically. So we were, we just had our first child, the neurotic parents that we are with our first child. Probably neurotic,

26:03 everyone's neurotic with a first child. Still am Third, you're like, ah, you know, don't go in, right? We only have two, but my second was like, ah, you know, we made it to the first one.

26:14 So we're super neurotic first time parents, basically. And I had an opportunity to ex-patent Trinidad. And,

26:23 you know, after these few tours, essentially have done in Houston, essentially. And so my wife went down just on a recon trip, essentially. And

26:30 she explored Trinidad, poor Spain. And she went down for several days, basically, and call me basically. I'm not thrilled that we cannot bring our eight-month-old to Trinidad right now, 'cause

26:43 we're an erotic parents and

26:45 Trinidad's not exactly like Houston, Texas, or anywhere else, or anywhere else we live. It's okay, and I'm not kidding. Literally that same day, we're like, maybe this isn't the best fit for

26:55 our family to go right now and maybe we can do this down the road for sure when the kid's older, or what have you, or we're less neurotic. My, one of my really good friends from graduate school

27:06 called me literally the same day and says, Hey, what's up? I'm at this new company or not a new company. I'm at this company called Seneca Resources and Buffalo. I'm like, Oh, cool. What's

27:15 going on? He's like, Have you heard of the Marcella shell yet? I'm like, Yeah, barely. I don't know much about it. It was emerging. This is like 2007, mid 2007, something like that. Early,

27:26 early days for all this unconventional stuff, essentially. And he said, Yeah, I mean, you know, this company is sitting on almost a million acres of potential more sell at some later. That's

27:38 intriguing. And again, going back to my wumsutter days, I wanted to work on conventional gas for at least that part of my career. He said, why don't you come talk to us? And I went and talked to

27:48 them. And I ended up in Seneca for almost six years, basically. Wow, I didn't even know this part of your career. So did you move to Buffalo, New York? Yeah, the big Buffalo being the big,

27:59 old and gas hub of it. Of course, right, right, right. The mecca of oil and gas is

28:03 the Buffalo. I thought was exactly. Go from Houston, the center of the energy universe of Buffalo, New York. The reason, the reason Cineco was in Buffalo, 'cause their parent company, National

28:12 Fuel Gas, is headquartered there, and it's a big utility, SCAS storage, the EP's weighing basically is a Cineco resources, essentially. And they were just a small little tiny EP shop that were

28:18 drilling shallow Devonian wells in Pennsylvania, essentially.

28:27 And they realized, wait a second, this vasella's thing could be real. And I went up there and started working with Marcellus and we grew it massively And I got to, I was literally the first

28:37 employee. full-time employee working in Marcellus, so I got to see everything drilling, regulatory, land. I was obviously doing the geology as well, and then we started sort of adding people to

28:48 the crew, and now it's a Marcellus-focused company doing, my God, no, they're doing probably more than a day, basically. So it's kind of fun. It was a fun transition. Again, when opportunity

28:59 knocks, hopefully you answered the door at the right time, essentially, and he called and said, This is what's going on. And we took the position and took the move So we went from the heat of

29:08 Houston to Buffalo. So I got my wife back to more temperate weather for, say, and God's closer to family, too, which was kind of nice, being from West Virginia, obviously. Ah, I love this.

29:20 So, yes, Senate is one that was on my radar. We're like, I started an oil and gas

29:25 December, 2007. So probably around the same time as you. So there are certain company names, right, that were really hitting my radar then, the shale boom was really starting to take off.

29:38 Companies were emerging and they needed to buy technology for the back office and had lots of rigs. It's not like what it is today. And Seneca was one of those companies. Were you guys operating in

29:51 New York at that point before fracking was banned? Or was this just Pennsylvania, like West Virginia? Where were you guys operating in the Marcellus? 'Cause Marcellus is huge. Yeah, so they were

30:00 operating gas storage, which obviously was not in Marcellus, but they were operating gas storage wells, natural fuel gas was in New York And we were absolutely, we had acreage, or Seneca, we, I

30:09 say, Seneca, Seneca had acreage in New York, for sure. So we were snooping around as a subsurface people. We were looking at all options on where you started development program, basically.

30:18 There were some other companies in New York as well, before the ban. Yeah. For Tuna, who turned into Talisman, who turned into Nexon, whoever else, basically along the way. So there were

30:28 several bigger players up there in New York and sort of the northern border of Pennsylvania.

30:34 And then also just south of the board that became, we call it the barbell, you know, where Chesapeake and some of the big players are on the northeast of the massive gas wells versus the other side

30:43 of the barbell, you know, down in Ranger Resources territory where the gas is wet and you can team some of those folks basically. So, yeah, New York was a thing. Oh, you were? It really was.

30:55 Yeah, up until whenever the 2011 or 12 or whenever it was, when that started getting shut down. Which is kind of unfortunate I mean, this is not a political podcast whatsoever, but I think what

31:07 people should understand about New York is, you know, they think about the city. And New York City is, of course, a glamorous, wealthy place. You know, maybe it's the best city in the world

31:15 for a number of reasons. But as New York is a huge state, and as you get North, it's actually extremely poor. You've got a lot of farmland. Like, I think back to when I was 14 and driving out to

31:27 Cooperstown, New York to go to the baseball hall of fame. I never knew New York like that, right? I only thought of that sort of as the city. and it's tons of cows and pretty poor, like

31:38 reminiscent of some of the northern parts of New Hampshire, even, where there's just not a lot of economy. So when I saw that the fracking ban happened, I thought that's probably like a liberal

31:52 city-driven decision versus what people would actually want who live out in the middle of nowhere, where it's effectively really poor in the northern and western parts of New York Perfect observation,

32:03 they might as well be two different planets, honestly, New York City versus the rest of New York, basically New York State, for sure. And yeah, there is probably a lot of missed opportunity

32:12 there to help the economy, help local workforce and so on and so forth, missed, essentially, because there's prospectivity there. It's probably still better also when you move deeper into the

32:23 basin in the Pennsylvania and south into West Virginia. But still, there's still prospectivity there, for sure, that may never get unlocked.

32:33 I mean, unless they start drilling 100 mile long laterals, right, which probably not going to happen. Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, everyone keeps adding, you know, footage on these

32:42 laterals these days. It's possible. That would be surprising to get that crazy sometime. Well, so let me ask you this, right? And a little bit off topic, but also relevant. Yeah. So, you

32:52 know, I live in Lafayette, right, which is like the very eastern end of Boulder County, and there's no fracking, no drilling here But if you drive literally three minutes from here into Erie,

33:03 which is Weld County, they're drilling huge wells. Are they going underneath me? If I'm just a couple miles away, or are you not allowed to drill laterally under the ground into an area that's

33:17 banned fracking, how does that work? So you could. It depends on their mineral rights, for sure You certainly could if you have the mineral rights down there. And yes, to minimize the impact,

33:31 if there's a surface activity ban like where you are, by all means, you can leverage the technology, the horizontal technology, if you can, if you have the rights to reach out, for sure. It's

33:43 okay. It's fascinating, right? So I have no idea if miles below me, they might be drilled right now. I don't know. Right now. Yeah, I don't know, oh yeah, I don't know. Yeah, the DJ is a

33:53 very active place for sure. I just drove up the Windsor the other day and just reminds me, 'cause I don't get up there very often, you know, if it's like that neck of the woods, I'm just seeing

34:01 all the infrastructure and it's still growing, you know, it's good stuff. DJ is good stuff, man. It's just - DJ is amazing. And we talked about this a little bit on some of our back and forth

34:11 before the pod. Colorado really probably drills the cleanest wells. I mean, even in talking to some of the people from Oxy who are operating in the DJ, like what they're doing from reused gas and

34:23 eliminating emissions, but still creating these massive. oil producing wells, it's pretty awesome. There's a lot that can be heard. It's awesome, and it's, you know, the industry as a whole in

34:37 Colorado, especially until we get it, but across the United States and in Canada, it's producing a lot of hydrocarbons as well. The public doesn't realize that these are some of the cleanest

34:47 volumes that you can get for hydrocarbons. Again, hydrocarbons are going to go away anytime soon. Why not let the folks that are really, really good are responsible to produce the hydrocarbons

34:57 domestically versus a lot less clean volumes that you see outside of the United States and Canada, for sure. It just makes perfect sense. We have these rules of regulations. And actually, believe

35:11 it or not, we care deep. We live here. The folks that are drilling in Colorado, the folks that are drilling in in Texas, the groups that are drilling in Pennsylvania, we care deeply. And I

35:22 think that's lost on the general public sometimes you don't realize that we are very best in doing it. in a very social environment or responsible way.

35:32 And yes, our barrels and our MCFs of gas are some of the cleanest on the planet. So why wouldn't you focus that direction essentially? Yeah, and it builds into the wealth of this country as well,

35:42 for sure. It does. Yeah, it does. So six years at Seneca, so

35:51 you learned the Marsalis inside now and you're in Buffalo and well, so then what? Yeah, I don't know if I've

35:58 learned the interest. So one thing, you know, back to being a scientist, you know, we often are taught humility 'cause we never, there's always another question, basically. So I still have a

36:08 lot of questions about them ourselves to this day and they'll never all be answered even by the folks that have worked for, you know, 15 years at this point. So no, I mean, part of it was the

36:17 mindset of, you know, I've worked this base before. I even did my PhD dissertation at base and I've been in the Appalachian Basin for a while. I've got a lot of experience there, essentially.

36:27 I wanted to diversify a little bit. Like we talked about diversifying at BP, so snooping around and connected with the right people and got their opportunity to work the Willston Basin. So hey,

36:37 another world-class basin. It was nice, I got to change

36:43 hydrocarbon phase into more oily stuff, which I wanted to kind of diversify as well, going from pretty dry grass, gas into oil. And so yeah, jumped on my opportunity to come out here and then

36:54 work with QEP for five or six years away, basically. Nice. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. It was great. I just, yeah, I love that feather in my cap that I was able to work at the Williston. We

37:04 also looked at the powder in the EJ as well, some, but it was a heavy focus on the Williston. And then got exposed to other assets that QEP had as well, working in the corporate role. So that was

37:13 great because they had a lot of different assets that they eventually divested. And obviously the company's gone. But seeing the Uinta, seeing Pinedale, seeing Haynesville, seeing the Permian,

37:22 obviously in the Midland side too, was all. really nice, you know, pre diversified for a relatively small market cap company, mid-cap company. Yeah, yeah. I mean, going back to the Jared

37:34 Hoover conversation that we had too, I always sort of admired how QEP did business. A very small company that was like an offshoot of

37:46 an integrated, yeah, Questar, right? And having assets all over the place So it's really, really cool. And a nice office in downtown Denver. So you move from Buffalo to Denver. And so there's

37:60 been a decent amount of movement for you. Did you want to stay in Denver? Denver is Denver like this is where we're going to be? Yeah. So it was actually Buffalo to Pittsburgh to Denver. So once

38:11 the Marcellus got really kicked off, we realized that Seneca realized to be in the middle of the action, we need to put the office in Pittsburgh. So we lived in Pittsburgh for a couple of years,

38:19 too, which was fun. And then I from Pittsburgh moved to Denver. Talk about a different beast moving from back east, as they say here to out here in the west. It means a different landscape too.

38:31 It's very, it's a lot different than the east. The colors are different, the topography's different, everything's different. So it was fun, it's been fun to experience this. And so yeah, we've

38:42 really enjoyed Colorado for sure. We've been here for 10 years and our kids have roots here. My wife has roots here, we all have roots here now. And Colorado's a great place to live for sure. An

38:51 amazing place to raise kids too And sometimes I just get jealous of my kids for growing up here. Although I did love growing up in New Hampshire. I'm not sure what it was like growing up in West

39:00 Virginia, but when I bring my kids back to New Hampshire, they love it, right? Because the trees are huge and it just feels older, it's much more green, it's very quiet, the smells are

39:14 different. But here, Colorado's got like a nice balance, right? You've got cities that are big enough, You've got a huge airport, the weather's pretty nice. right, and you still get four

39:26 seasons, which is part of what drew me to here. So you do the QEP thing, right? And ultimately, that company gets spun off and sold. And you and I met, I think toward the end of your time at

39:38 QEP and then boom, you end up at Inverse, which was surprising to me a little bit because I thought of you as such like a dyed-in-the-wall industry guy, you work for operators, and then you show

39:48 up at a tech company. So what happened? Yeah, I've always been interested in how you apply digital technology to solve EP problems, basically,

40:02 in many different ways, because I always question sometimes if we had the skill set or the tools to solve the problems, even back in the day, and we've certainly evolved to come a long ways to

40:11 present, to solve really complex digital problems with lots of different variables, lots of different data sets, essentially to integrate them, to spit out something that's meaningful that we can

40:20 act on and spend capital on, for example. Sure. But even back to

40:27 undergrad days, when I had my first statistics course and just statistics in geoscience or something based, I was just like, wow, we can quantify some of this stuff by using numbers and

40:34 measurements and spit out an answer, you know, with some ranges, with some uncertainty, to make a decision. And I kind of carried that mentality through grad school. I did some multigrade coding

40:44 in grad school and that kind of thing to reduce large data sets. I'm like, well, this applies everywhere. This applies in the more cellless. This applies in the willest and the supplies I've

40:53 always had

40:56 this strong interest in the digital technology side of our industry, essentially. It was a natural transition to go over to Inverisos, doing amazing things on that front for sure. Yeah.

41:08 Innovative and big. It's a company that I think, you know, of course they've changed a lot, private equity money has come in and that's going to change the focus of your company, but they started

41:19 off as an innovator and I give them credit for still being an innovator despite being huge. Like, I think that's really hard to do. I spot on, you're right, and trying to keep the culture of

41:33 innovation first and foremost, there's a lot of effort to do that, and kudos to leadership for always pushing that at drilling info slash in there. So it's great. Was it in various when you went,

41:43 or was it still drilling info? It was drilling info when I went. They rebranded when I was there, yeah. So that was your first time working on the tech side Did you like that? I mean, obviously

41:57 very different than working on the operator side. I would think that you could, when you went in the room of operators, you could really see things from the operator's perspective. Did you like it?

42:09 Was it kind of strange for you to be in it? Like talk about some of the things you liked or that were different between being working for one operator and working on the tech side. Yeah, certainly

42:18 different mindset, man. You know, you're flipping your brain a little bit too, when you sit on the other side of the table. But what I realized really quickly was being on the tech side or the

42:29 product side or what have you, it forces you to hyper focus in on what's the real problem that needs to be solved. What do these companies, you know, you get to touch all different kinds of

42:39 companies, other customers basically, what are some of the fundamental things that need to be solved? What are the biggest problems that will help them extract the most value? Not that we don't

42:47 think about that on the operator side, but it really causes you to really hyper-focus on what problem are we trying to solve and let's get on that path and make sure that we can help solve that

42:57 problem for the customer or the company we're working with basically. So that was different because you're forced to think about it at every single day, basically. That's kind of your job. How do

43:07 you help companies solve these problems and how you build the tech around those particular problems so they can solve them as quickly and as efficient as possible to help them make that decision. So

43:17 that was the biggest thing I would say for sure you're not sputting an oil and gas well. You're. completely different operational piece, versus actually, you know, sitting around with a bunch of

43:28 software developers, essentially. It's different in that respect as well. But, you know, it was enlightening, very enlightening, because you get to hear different perspectives from all these

43:37 different companies you interact with, or your colleagues in the organization that are interacting with these different companies with different perspectives and best practices and things like that,

43:46 you get it from all angles. You hear the best from all different angles and to try to synthesize that into something coherent that could be used and applied to a greater sense in the market is kind

43:58 of the name of the game. And so that's exactly what they're really good at. Yeah, I think that's a valuable perspective to have. The lens of working at an operator is so much different from the

44:13 vendor side, which I think is valuable for somebody like you to have You have a really interesting and diverse background, which has led you to kind of wear. things are today. So since drilling

44:25 info, you left there, I'm not sure where you went. What have you been up to the past few years? Yeah, I went to Novi App. Yeah, right. Novi took a lot of this thing. Great company solving

44:35 what I think are solving the right problems, just like in various, essentially, on the digital side of things, essentially. So, yeah, I mean, that was a much smaller company, obviously, 25

44:45 people, basically, but a much smaller company, but still trying to chase down the right questions and putting out the products to solve the right problems. And I think they're both doing it in a

44:55 really, really fascinating way. Yeah, I'm hearing that Novi is evolving pretty quickly on the data side as well. So, definitely want to learn more about what they've got going on, very impressed

45:06 with their team, small team, but love to see innovators and cool products, yeah. For sure. Yeah, good stuff. Have you ever thought about starting your own Orland Gas Company?

45:22 sure. Yeah.

45:27 Yeah. I've thought about it to answer your question. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't that be fun? You'd be good at it. What's what's next for you? You think in your career, you've got all these different

45:37 big companies, small companies, operator side gas, oil, vendor software, innovation.

45:45 What's next? As much, you know, so the bulk of my career 80 of it, 85 of it still, you know, in the upstream world with operators, Joel and Gaswell's and Solano's problems. That's not the last

45:57 couple of experiences with one folks. I actually love them. I got a lot out of them, basically, for sure. Ultimately, my heart's probably in the upstream world. It is. I miss that. And that's

46:06 what I pursue in my own time, basically, you know, keep trying to keep up with things and trying to learn new things, basically, what's happened with the industry. I miss being with operator. I

46:15 miss working with those types of folks. I miss solving those kind of problems. Again, at the end of the the day we started the conversation, I'm the flight scientist. that loves engineering,

46:23 essentially. And I love applying those skills and tools, 'cause I'm so curious about it, to solve those really big problems, and that we can translate this complicated subsurface story, or

46:36 surface story, with all this technology and stuff, into something we can make a decision on. We always joke, you gotta be able to explain it or translate it, so a fifth grader can understand it.

46:47 I love that, I love taking the complex into simple, so you can make a business decision That's what it's all about, basically, is how does every stakeholder benefit, not just the shareholder,

46:57 how does every stakeholder benefit from the work we do and the problems we solve? And that is my passion, for sure. Longer, very holistic view on things. And I wanna put you on the hot seat, got

47:07 a couple more minutes here. Throw some questions at you. So you are an applied scientist, right? So I'm curious from your perspective, like what is the oil and gas industry, the energy industry,

47:20 as a whole look like in five to 10 years, are we going to see a lot more reliance on solar, geothermal, hydrogen, getting away from drilling for oil? Will there be advancements in technology that

47:33 will allow us to unlock additional plays? What does it look like in five, 10 years? Yeah, so the answer is the answer to your last question there will look will look different and what's it going

47:44 to take? So the answer is yes, it'll look different probably. And one little caveat there, I don't think of energy transition per se, I think of energy mix, so it's nice to have it diversified

47:56 in our country and across the world for any sovereign nation to have an energy mix that is diversified for many different reasons. One thing that's really and I just heard a story on the radio about

48:07 it the other day too and that I've been focusing on is true thermal. It's getting a lot of attention as it should because what's really interesting is gosh, most of the skills and know how you need

48:21 to exploit geothermal and make it work, come from the unconditional gas in it. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, there's a ton of us around that know how to do this kind of thing, literally drill

48:30 horizontally, multi stage facts, you know, run the infrastructure, run the fighting down, you know, down hall and so on and so forth. There's a lot of experts out there that come from all gas

48:39 that can translate those skills into the geothermal industry, which I think is really cool. It's a different kind of rock, but I think it's really cool and exciting that the workforce is here in

48:49 the United States to add that to the energy mix, essentially. And so it's exciting to see companies up there like Fervo and others popping up that can, that are really making a strong go of it.

48:59 And I just, I think it's wonderful. Fervo's like, you know, kind of known as like the big name and they've raised a lot of money. But as I've dug into that space a little bit more, there are a

49:08 lot of geothermal drillers and not just in the US. This is actually a phenomenon worldwide. So it's going to be interesting. A lot of companies have plans to kick up their drilling in

49:21 2025. These are capital intensive projects, but the same skill sets that oil and gas drillers have really apply and a lot of the same technologies from a back office standpoint, you still need an

49:32 AFE, right? You still need to track your drilling completions. There's still instruction projects. There's still leasing of land. So a lot of the infrastructure from a technology perspective is

49:42 already there. So I think it'll be fascinating. And I think Fervos, yes, the tip of the spear, but there's going to be a lot of these companies that we see become mainstream, which to me is

49:52 fascinating. And it's really neat to see some of the traditional, you know, hydrocarbon-based energy companies supporting them financially, you know, or standing up their own shop internally,

50:03 basically, to go chase this down. Because it's a really interesting pursuit for our country, for the world.

50:25 you know,

50:27 it's nice getting a lot of attention, a lot of traction and funding. So pretty cool. Yeah, definitely funding. Yeah. Another hot seat question. Your favorite wings place in Buffalo, New York.

50:28 So, can I consider myself a local having lived there three and a half years? No, but I lived next door to locals in my neighborhood, basically. And I would ask them the same question. So

50:37 everyone wants to go to Anchor Bar, which is where the wings were born as the origin of the way. But the locals say, like, forget about Anchor Bar, need to go to this place called Elmo's, which

50:47 is near the University of Buffalo, North Campus, I guess. Fantastic. Duff's is another very popular - Very famous, yeah. Another very popular, but the locals like Duff. But the one that sticks

50:47 out in my head is Elmo's, 'cause

50:52 I

51:04 remember our neighbors who were buffalonians through and through, essentially, would only buy. heats and wins from Elmo's. And so when you tell me to go over to their house, it's got to be Elmo's

51:14 or it's nothing, basically. And they were spot on. They're delicious. What? So if you look it up. What do you mean they're still around? Probably. What makes the wings different there? Why

51:25 are they better? Are they truly better? Is this just a kind of a novelty thing that they've coined? No, no. I think they're very selective on the wings they choose. And so they're nicer, higher

51:35 quality, but everyone has their own sauce They make these sauces from scratch. And so it's also the special recipe or they're little of their special sauce, basically, that goes on the wings and

51:45 how they toss them. I like a lot of sauce on the wing. They drown their wings, basically. So yeah, I think that's what sets them apart, in my opinion. And maybe it's changed. It's been

51:54 whatever, 12 years or whatever, since then. Has it ruined like Buffalo Wild Wings for you in places like that, or do you still eat at places like that? Not very often. My son likes that

52:05 occasionally. We don't go there very often, basically Yeah, I don't know. Where do we like the wings here? You know, again, there's some decent wings around here, I think. I mean, it's wings,

52:15 right? Like it's, you know, generally pretty good.

52:20 What do you like? Which ones? Like, my favorite wings around here would be, like Southern Sun, Mountain Sun. Oh, like really big, meaty and juicy. And like, I think they might even have like

52:33 a corn flake type of mix, like nice and bready. But they've got an expensive man, you know, it used to be like 12 wings or whatever, 12 bucks. Now 12 wings is like23 or something. And you're

52:44 like, what? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So second son of a brewery you, mean? That's also a brewery? Yeah, Southern Sun, Mountain Sun. I think they've got a sign street pub. There's a few, but their

52:52 wings are incredible. I don't know if I've had those. I'm gonna try them. Nah, take my kids up. Yeah, that's as good as it gets, I think, around here. But we live like right near Buffalo Wild

53:03 Wings. So my kids like that and wings stop. And I'm like, nope, whatever.

53:09 It's hit or miss, sometimes you get to get back, sometimes you don't, so it's just not as consistent in some of these other places as far as I know. Yeah, no doubt. So you've got a 17 year old

53:16 kid, is it a boy? It's a boy, right? Boy, yeah. Is he looking at colleges? Yeah. He is, yes, we're looking at higher education right now. We've done campus tours in Florida, we've done

53:31 obviously the local tours. He wants to go to a big school, and the idea he wants to go to a big school in warm place. I already came to this, I don't know, but he's done his own sort of math to

53:39 figure that out. Yeah, yeah. So he's focused on big research type universities and warmer-ish places, essentially. But obviously we've looked at the schools in our backyard, been to Boulder,

53:50 Fort Collins, we visited schools in Florida, we have a trip planned to Arizona soon to check those out. But yeah, I mean, we're not heavy to that stuff. That's kind of fun. My daughter's a few

53:59 years old. 13, 12, and six people, yeah, she's almost 14. You know, about to be a freshman in high school next year, but I feel like when I was a freshman at some point, I started thinking at

54:11 least a little bit about college, also my my older sister was a senior. So I went with her on all of her, like college tours, when I was a freshman, so I'm like, can I just skip to college and

54:22 not do the next three years of high school? That'd be kind of fun. I know, because it's a blast. Those are good years Yeah, I mean, like everyone says, it's cliche, but man, it's going to

54:31 creep up on you real quick, so your daughter's going to be like, so looking at schools before you know it. Yeah, I'd better be hitting that college, invest account a little bit harder with what

54:41 things are costing these days. Oh, man, it's brutal. It's insane. And final question I have for you, and I always love asking this to my my castes OK, what what advice would you give to your

54:55 younger self? Like if I knew then what I know now, what would you tell young Jason Reed?

55:02 Yeah.

55:12 And I think it kind of played out this way. So maybe I did tell myself something like this, is change your passion.

55:17 And I tell my kids that, change your passion. What are you most curious about? And so back to your comment about my son looking at schools and again, what's he gonna do? What kind of problems he

55:28 gonna solve for the rest of his life? His guidance counselor gave us a really interesting insight on that It's hard, 17, you know, still maturing, basically. How can you make this very big life

55:42 impact and decision

55:44 so quickly? You can't necessarily, basically. But what she asked, she has a really good question. She says, what do you Google just for fun? What do your Google searches look like? What are

55:53 you just curious about, basically? Go back to your search history and see what you're curious about. Like, that is spot on. 'Cause curiosity, in my opinion, especially in a technical industry

56:02 like this,

56:05 but it drives everything across any industry for that matter. What are you curious about? What do you want to learn more about? What problems you want to solve, basically? And so back to your

56:13 question, I would say follow your passion, essentially. Find something you're very committed to, idealogically is where I started, basically, with the end focus on the energy industry is the

56:24 backbone of modern society, if it goes away. So does modern society. And then how can you support that during my career path? Well, I fit in the hydrocarbon times, essentially So I fit right in

56:36 there. In the future, next generation, my kid's generation and beyond, basically, could be something else. We're still gonna have energy, basically. So let me do the best I can in the

56:45 hydrocarbon world that I'm in, that I'm passionate about. So it's passion, it's curiosity, basically. That's what I tell folks. I like that. And you actually, as you were talking, I started

56:55 thinking, like, we don't have Google when I was in high school, but what would my Google searches have looked like? And it probably would have been like history. for sure, which ended up being

57:05 my major in college

57:09 or sports. And I actually feel like I made someone of a conscious decision, I love sports. A huge sports fan, I love playing sports, fantasy sports, like all that stuff. But I made kind of a

57:20 conscious decision not to build a career in it because I thought it might change it for me, right? If I could have a job, like a traditional, yeah, like a traditional nine to five, whether

57:32 you're a lawyer, a salesperson or an insurance broker, an engineer, geologist, whatever it is, I could work that kind of schedule and still be able to watch sports when sports are on. And it'll

57:45 still be somewhat of a novelty for me. Whereas I've talked to Brian Becker about this good friend of mine, he worked for Cronkey for a while and the experience, he still loves sports, but it

57:55 changed for him, right? It wasn't just, okay, there's a nuggets game tonight. It's okay, is our cyber security like up to par? is everything good from a safety perspective. This is just

58:05 entertainment for people. I'm like, oh, well, that changes it. And this is not just entertainment. This is everything. So I kind of made a conscious decision not to go that route, which, you

58:16 know, maybe for better or worse, that was the decision that I made.

58:20 Great point. Keep the world separate because you still have the excitement and, you know, the mystery of sports that you're not seeing under the hood of necessarily that you're scared of my turn

58:32 you off Basically what you learn or what you're working on, basically, and I hear you, I feel the same way. I think it's a wonderful point. Yeah, appreciate it. So Jason, where can people find

58:42 you? Like, you know, LinkedIn, socials, websites, any of that stuff? Yeah, yeah, LinkedIn, I'm not on LinkedIn.

58:49 Yeah, just search for Jason Reid out in LinkedIn. You'll find me, basically. And if you want to send me an email, send me an email, the email address is out there as well. Or yeah, I'm a

58:58 little bit here from folks.

59:00 Jason, I really appreciate you coming on. I'm excited to see what you do next career-wise. I think it's fascinating and you're somebody I'm keeping an eye on as a leader in this space, still

59:10 relatively young, but I really appreciate you coming on, you know, being open and sharing your story here